Soviet Union survivor: President spits in face of every U.S. citizen

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  1. USMTiger

    USMTiger Founding Member

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    So steering back to the previous topic...

    I have yet to see anyone here give a good reason as to why the moment of silence is needed, or why we need the Ten Commandments in a public building.

    The responses I've seen so far have been:
    1. Because you are reading the Constitution wrong.
    2. Because we have been doing it for years.
    3. Because the Founding Fathers would've been cool with it.
    4. Because we don't think it is hurting anyone.

    These don't answer the question "why", they only defend the practice.

    So I ask: Why do we need to have a moment of silence? What is the purpose, when Christians can silently pray at any time?

    Why do we need the Ten Commandments hanging in the courtroom, when only a few of them apply to the American Legal System?

    I just don't see a lot of actual reasons from Christians as to why they are so adamantly supportive of these things.
     
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  2. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    don't know the reasoning behind it, but I do know several people from the same type of family (black dad, white mom).
    Pretty much everyone one of them considers themselves black.
    Don't know why, and never really thought to question their reasons.

    no one (that I'm aware of) say they NEEDED to be there.
    just that if they wanted to have them, they should be allowed.
     
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  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    You beat me to it.
     
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  4. DJM136

    DJM136 fubar 24/7

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    My opinion is that we don't "need" to have it. My problem with denying it is that the school majority may want to have a moment of silence, and one student/teacher or even an outsider can have it stopped using the bogus "separation" bs. What happened to majority rule? Just seems to me that certain people like to wield power simply to wield power. The same people want to take away gun owners rights also. They're happy to force a misinterpretation of one constitutional right while ignoring another.
     
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  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    In fact they can. Creationism, other origin stories, any religion, mythology, and faith can and are taught in social studies classes where they belong.

    Absolutely. Creationism does not withstand scientific scrutiny and evolution has done so overwhelmingly. The study of science belongs in science classes. The study of faith belongs in a social studies curricula.

    It is foolish to try to justify faith using science and equally foolish to justify science using faith. They are as separate as oil and water . . . but together they make a good salad dressing.
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Many states have updated their old birth records to computer databases and no longer keep huge files of deteriorating original documents. My birth certificate from 1955 is a photostat (paper negative) of a typed original with an official seal embossed. If I wrote to California (where I was born, to my great surprise) asking for a new certified birth certificate, I would get a similar computer printout with an official seal embossed in it.

    Who knows? How many times in one's life does he actually have to produce a birth certificate? Not many.

    The certificate does not specifiy his "legal" race. Obama has described himself as multi-racial all his life. It is a facet of culture in America that a half-black individual can "pass" as black, but usually not as white. Dominant genes, you know. Them's the breaks.
     
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  7. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    To get a real job. Oops.

    To get into the military. Oops.

    I guess he didn't need one.
     
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  8. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    I have to produce my son's birth certificate each year in order for the LHSAA to declare him eligible for high school athletics. I guess its tougher to be declared fit to play high school golf in La. than it is to be declared fit to be President. :hihi:
     
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  9. USMTiger

    USMTiger Founding Member

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    This thread has more sudden topic changes than talking to my pothead friends.
     
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  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I've had to produce a birth certificate to get a Social Security number when I was 8 and to get a Passport when I was 17. I had to produce it for a DoD security clearance in the 80's. I had to produce it last year for a probate decision in court. That's it. Four times.

    I never had to produce it to get a draft card and get classified I-A. I never had to produce it to gain any "real" job I've ever held. I've never had to produce it for a school or a bank or a mortgage.

    That's really the only time that a birth certificate is required in lieu of other identification--when one's age is the important. Like, high school athletics . . . or running for US Senator.
     
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