Soviet Union survivor: President spits in face of every U.S. citizen

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  1. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    LMAO!:rofl::rofl:

    But then, the smokers would want to call it 'a moment of inhaling,' thinking that would conceal their guise and claiming that 'oh, people can inhale whatever they want during this moment. It doesn't have to be a cigarette.'
     
  2. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    Clearly christianity since they're the only ones bitching about it.
    Why do children who are supposedly devout enough to pray at school need 30 seconds or whatever to pray during the day? And why must all of the other kids stop what they're doing and honor this time when they could be learning about things like evolution?
     
  3. USMTiger

    USMTiger Founding Member

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    Allow? Why does a kid have to be allowed to pray? Can't the kid pray anytime he or she pleases? Kids need permission from the school to say it's ok to pray? How un-American.

    If I was a Christian, I'd be pretty upset if the school had the nerve to think that they could suggest to my son that there are only specific times of the day in which it is appropriate to pray.
     
  4. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    (Yawn....), here it is again, in black and white for your reading pleasure, Article III (The First Amendment) to the U.S. Constitution....

    Now, let's be clear....I acknowledge your point (and others siding with you in this argument) about "the need for silent prayer." Frankly, had I gone to public school, I probably wouldn't have spent that time (had it existed then) praying. Not the point of the discussion. The issue, as I see it, is "is allowing a moment of silent prayer a violation of the First Amendment?" By my interpretation, so long as Congress does not mandate that the "silent moment" must be spent in prayer to a particular diety, be he God, Yahweh, Allah or Buddha, then it has not established a religion. If anything, preventing a child from praying if he/she chooses should constitute "prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Really, the words aren't that difficult if you're willing to accept what they say.

    edit: and for the unnamed poster who is about to question why I can't understand "separation of church and state," I ask, please show me where those words are printed in the U.S. Constitution?
     
  5. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    That's funny, dude. Or is it? As we all know, many companies do exactly that, even dedicating a "smoking area" along with the time for smokers to stop working and fuel their nicotine addiction. I'm not going to go research it, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if this began with someone taking their boss to court because he/she instituted a "no smoking" policy. Had the workplace not been so flexible on the matter, is it really that far-fetched to think that a law could have been on the way? (The only reason I as a non-smoker don't complain is that while they're smoking, I'm free to surf tigerforums.com :lol:)
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Creating a moment for public prayer is endorsing prayer, therefore religion.

    That's not the issue. Making everyone else recognize the prayer moment is the issue.

    Where does it say that silence is required in order to say a prayer? One can pray at any time and no one restricts it.

    It forces them to stop what they are doing for the benefit of someone else's religion.
     
  7. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    Then what would happen if a child chose to pray out loud in school? Not while the teacher was actually teaching, but say, during a change of class period. Let's be intellectually honest here...you know what would happen. The ACLU would drop in on this kid like a SWAT team and all Hades would break loose.
     
  8. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    I think he meant that the kid could pray while other people were talking, which is the same time that other kids do the other things that the christians were mentioning earlier in the thread (i.e. daydreaming). That's the root of the conflict, here. Christians want everyone else to shut up so they can pray, when they actually have plenty of other hours in the day to do so.
     
  9. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    it is a moment for SILENT, PRIVATE thoughts.
    It CAN be used for prayer.

    We're not talking about standing over a kids desk with ruler in hand yelling "Pray dammit, or I'll smash you across the wrist!!!"
     
  10. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    And this is different from all of the other moments in the day how, exactly? Remember, kids today have the attention span of oh hey look at that it's 5:00!
     

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