Soviet Union survivor: President spits in face of every U.S. citizen

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Let me rephrase then, why does a silent prayer require everyone present to recognize it? They want to publicly "require" everybody to be quiet so that the religious among them can pray. The objection is not about a persons private prayer, but to the public recognition of it that all must be conducted by all.

    You can't possibly be this naive. The moment of silence replaced the public praying. It could not be more obvious what it is for. You say the students can use that moment for whatever they want and that is really not true. They can use it for whatever they want as long as they remain still, quiet, and observe someone else's religious moment.

    Personally, it just don't bother me that much, I'm not an atheist. I'm talking about constitutionality here.

    Well, the prayer it replaced was removed. We're all standing for the anthem and alma mater anyway and the moment is short, so its no big deal to give it to those who can't pray amidst chaos. But the students bray like jackasses all through it and it's probably just a matter of time before they start the "a**hole, a**hole" chant and it will go the way of "Tiger Rag"
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Why does he need a specially recognized time to pray? And why must everyone else stop and recognize it? God did not set this time and will listen to prayers at any time, does he not?

    No one is wishing to prevent a religious kid from silent prayer. He can pray anytime that he wants to. It's just not necessary for the world to stop for it. For some "religious" people it seems to be more important to be seen to be praying than to actually speak to God.
     
  3. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    Id always pray before a major test through out my years of schooling. I dont know what that adds the to discussion, just thought I share it.
    Im on the fence about the issue, I agree with alot of both sides.
     
  4. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    not require. allow.
    tell the kid that if he wants to pray, he can.
    if he don't want to, then don't do it.

    Public praying is forcing any atheists or non-religous to hear it.
    Having a silent moment allows a kid to pray without the non-religous kid having to acknowledge the actual prayer.


    not observe. respect.

    the other kids don't have to know or even care what another is praying about, or even if some other kid is praying or daydreaming.

    all they are asked to do is not phuck it up for the kid that is praying.


     
  5. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    This sentiment has been repeated over and over in this thread and by more than just Red, so I make this reply in general and throw the question open to anyone who wants to field it:

    It's a little issue called "respect." The Left demands that I respect gay people's "right" to subvert the sanctity of marriage. It demands that I respect some Commie's right to "free speech" when he burns a flag. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Why can't these same people, who claim to be the tolerant and inclusive segment of our society, "respect" a religious person's request for a moment of silence? You don't have to pray along, just show the same respect and tolerance to others that you demand others give you.
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    there are no gays getting married or "commie's" burning flags right after first period begins.

    no one is trying to take away anyone's right for prayer, just saying not to make it a public routine in school. if you want to pray say a little prayer right after you sit down, and keep it to yourself, there is no need to stop and have everyone recognize god, allah, buddah, voldemort, or that scientology god lord zaltar or whatever the hell it is.
     
  7. USMTiger

    USMTiger Founding Member

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    I think that if we aren't going to have full separation of Church and State, then we also need to abolish tax exemptions for Churches as well.

    If you are so insistant on posting plaques about rules given to man by jealous gods and what not, then you should help pay for them.
     
  8. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    I would assume that this post is tongue-in-cheek, otherwise you're just being silly. Next time you see a plaque hanging in a government building, look close and you'll see which civic organization paid for it. Normally it will be a Mason's Lodge or veteran's organization.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    That's not how it works or how they want it. ALL the children are REQUIRED to observe the silence. There would be no point in reserving this moment if the praying students observed a moment of silence and the other kids could just keep on doing what they are doing. No one is stopping anyone from having a silent prayer anytime they want to. I'm confident it happens all the time. There is no need whatsoever to make non-praying students observe someone else religious practices.

    Pay attention--that's not what I said. You brought up the football game. What I said was that I personally am not bothered by the silent moment. My argument is about constitutionality.
     
  10. USMTiger

    USMTiger Founding Member

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    Who knows? I am silly sometimes.

    Good point on the plaques. I should amend myself to say that the tax money from the Churches should be used to defend the City against ACLU lawsuits.
     

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