SOPA and PIPA

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by LaSalleAve, Jan 17, 2012.

  1. KyleK

    KyleK Who, me? Staff Member

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    'cause he got no religion!
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I got no religion, either. But I know right from wrong.
     
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  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    again, if you could infinitely and freely copy a potato it would change things quite a bit.

    but dont marketing people need to make a living?

    the opposite is true. technology enables very cheap and simple distribution of art.

    [/quote]And it's just wrong. Why do you have such a problem with the concept of wrong?[/QUOTE]

    things are not "just wrong" they are wrong for a reason.lets try not to win anay wards for being incredibly unsophisticated in out thinking.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets.

    Marketing people are not creators. They will make a living but increasingly the marketing people will be working for the creators rather than the other way around.

    You miss the point deliberately. The issue is about being paid for intellectual property, not distribution. If creators do not create, there is nothing to distribute.

    And I have described them in detail.

    I'm winning a debate with facts and logic, if you imagine there is a sophistication award happening, then you have brought a knife to a gunfight.
     
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  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    of course they are. they are artists. dont you watch mad men? (and i am serious, they are creators)

    this is like saying that if the nba didnt exist, no kids would ever play basketball in their backyards. people just create. they always have.
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    This also goes back to why record companies are dissolving. More artists are making music and movies independently. This is a market for them to get their product out without having to use big production companies or record labels and this law hurts those individuals. All this law is, is a way for big record companies, and big movie companies to keep the little man down.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Sure a kid with crayons creates. But professional creators must be able to be compensated.
     
  8. lsufan52

    lsufan52 Lsu baseball fan from old box to new

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  9. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i have friends in marketing and what they do is no less creative and artistic than whatever you consider "professional". suddenly your argument about professionals needing to be paid isnt so strong.

    so you think art didnt exist before copyright?
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    My argument is unassailable. You are trying smoke and mirrors now. Marketing creates no intellectual property and is not protected by copyright.

    No, do you? Why do you think this matters?

    Before copyright, each book, painting, or song had to be painstakingly copied by hand. There were few thieves because it didn't pay. The printing press and later recordings made the duplication of intellectual property inexpensive and made piracy profitable. Thus copyrights were invented to protect creators from thieves.
     

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