SOPA and PIPA

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by LaSalleAve, Jan 17, 2012.

  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This is bullchit. The media borrowed from libraries is purchased and the creators received compensation. Likewise with rented movies from Blockbuster or Netflix, including downloaded movies. Movies (legally purchased by the TV channels) recorded for personal use is fair use under copyright law, as long as they are not shared with freeloaders and thieves.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    completely wrong.

    This is bullchit. The copyright law do not prohibit lending of legal media, only the illegal duplication of media that deprives the holders of intellectual property rights.

    This isn't about outdated models. It is about evasion of paying the owners rightful royalties. It is about stealing. All of your blather is an attempt to justify theft. You may trade what you own, you just can't trade what you don't own. You can't duplicate copyrighted work. There is plenty of media that is in the public domain, you may do what you wish with that, but you are stealing from writers, artists, musicians, and filmmakers when you evade purchasing copyrighted media legally.
     
  3. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    It is not bull****, if you reread what I said there is no way you can prove that borrowing a book from the library or recording something off of a radio. Recording a move on DVR doesn't cost companies and artists money.
    IF you didn't have these things you would buy the book or movie.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Or go without. Lending libraries have always been fine. Those who don't want to own the book can always borrow it for a period of time. The book, no matter how many times it is read by however many people is paid for. Only one can read it at a time and you must borrow it again if you want to read it again. No author has ever had a problem with this arrangement.

    But duplication and widespread distribution of unpaid illegal copies is something far different than borrowing. it is theft.

    Recording off the radio is fine for personal use only, not for distribution to others, which is theft and piracy. The radio stations pay royalties to ASCAP.
     
  5. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Since you put it this way I agree with it but I still believe the older types of media, libraries and newer technology such as DVR's, etc do cost these businesses and artists plenty of money. I know it isn't quite the same as what we are talking about here. The bottomline is the same though. These businesses claim that millions are taken from them or cost them because of theft due to the internet but I still think the same can be said of other media because you don't have to purchase.
    I would also say that chances are the material freely shared on the internet, someone would have to purchase along the way.
    I am not arguing right or wrong here, just pointing out at least from my perspective the internet and file sharing aint the only thing costing them money. Sorry, I didn't mean to snap at you earlier btw!
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Here is the way I see it. And most artists see it as well, except for the rich bitches, like Dr. Dre and Metallica and whatnot. Most artists see downloads and pirating as free advertisement. ****.... Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails has made his last 4 projects free for download. It gets your product out there. But it's these major record labels, who drain an artist for everything, those mf'ers can burn. The day of the record label is over, screw trying to keep Virgin, and Geffen, and whatever company in business.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This is not true.

    That is up to the creator of intellectual property to decide. There are some who wish to give away their work and that is fine. But most must sell their work to make a living and stealing from them is wrong and a crime.
     
  8. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Yeah it is true man. There is an entire culture of underground music in every genre, and indy movies that can't get put out there like they can in torrent sites and file share sites. For every superstar there is probably 100 artists just like that 1 who depend on sites like these to get their sh!t out there.

    And in the end who is really getting ripped off? The artist? Nope, it's the bastard record labels, and they need to realize that they are dinosaurs. Time to die....
     
  9. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    instead of repeating the same thing, why dont you tell me why stealing digital files is wrong, that is, explain why it is a net negative for society.

    because it might become less profitable to be a writer, for example? so what. newspapers are dying, so it is already less profitable to be a reporter or colmnist. lots of industries aer changing such that they are less profitable. now we need less lumberjacks because we have big automated saws. should the saw be illegal? what about the lumberjack who no longer can sell his services? doesnt he have the right to an income for his work?

    no. he doesnt. and neither does the creator of information. and dont just say "thats wrong". the reason it is wrong will matter. and dont say "well nobody will ever write anything anymore, or make any music. that is definitely not true.

    insurance undwerwirters can do 3x the work they used to because of the new software and computers they use. this means there are far fewer insurance underwriters. there just isnt as much money to be made for the professional insurance undwerwriters. should we ban computers? but what about these people's jobs?

    should we ban expedia.com because we no longer need travel agents? but what about the travel agent who has a right to a paycheck?

    technology changes the world, dude.
     
  10. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Not only this, MegaUpload was totally shut down I believe? There had to be legal stuff out there available that was totally disregarded for whatever percentage of Illegal stuff available there. I would like to see the percentages of merchandise they had available.
    I see this just like LaSalle also, I know a few musicians and bands in the Denver area. They give away a few of their songs to get you interested, like a sample but they also sell cd's.
    This reminds me of another thought, you can go listen to musicians work for free at My Space or their own Websites. If one wants to you could use audio recording software on your own computer and then convert it to cd or mp3 format if one wants.
    Is the government next going to outlaw audio recording software? Why Not?
    How about Computers or the internet?
    It is all an equal opportunity source/problem.
     

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