Social Conservatives / Evangelicals

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by Rex_B, Jan 17, 2012.

  1. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    Your words, not mine. There is a vast difference in calling someone stupid and calling them irresponsible. Please stop digging this hole you are in.....it is very apparent that you have no understanding of the history of social security nor the conditions that led to it. Go back and gain some perspective on the issue rather than regurgitating your Republican talking points.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    And what did Moses do when he came down from Sinai with the Ten Commandments and found the Hebrews worshipping a golden calf? He KILLED 3,000 of them!
     
  3. TBTrumpet

    TBTrumpet Founding Member

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    That's quite a body count for a "benevolent" diety. And this is after it drowned Pharaoh's army! That's the love of a supreme being for you...:rolleye33:
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    "Thou shalt not kill", is the most overt mistranslation in the Old testament. Ancient Hebrew only had about 8,000 words as opposed to modern English with over 120,000 words. It was difficult to express nuances without placing a word in context, especially in an oral tradition. They just didn't have the words for executions, battle deaths, suicides, homicides, fratricides, etc. But clearly the commandment was intended to mean "thou shalt not murder". The original Hebrew of the sixth commandment is lo tirtsach. Tirtsach can mean to break in pieces, kill or murder. Lo is the Hebrew negative.

    In fact, in the first five books of the bible, death by stoning is prescribed for breaking any of the first 7 commandments except possibly the second. Surely the commandment did not include killing by execution.

    David and Solomon were beloved of God yet they slew "thousands and ten-thousands" in battle. Surely the commandment did not include killing in battle.

    "Thou shalt not murder", while not traditional in the King James Version, is actually the proper translation of the Sixth Commandment. It just did not survive multiple translations from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English unscathed.

    Even then, there are contradictions. When Joshua destroyed Jericho he committed overt genocide at the word of God. Murder of the innocent.

    Joshua 6:21 -- Then they utterly destroyed all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and asses, with the edge of the sword

    The God of the Old Testament is NOT a benevolent diety. YHWH is a vengeful, jealous, and tyrannical god who would flood the world for the insufficient righteousness of its people.
     
  5. TBTrumpet

    TBTrumpet Founding Member

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    ... and this is why he sucks. I'm so happy I escaped the prison of religion.
     
  6. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    God, as described in the Old Testament, is more like a manic-depressive teenager than a deity. His ups and downs and mood swings are well chronicled. So it's either this....or these were the writings of people who misinterpreted certains events as acts of God. It takes only a simple look around to surmise that the same God who created the Universe and all of it's vastness, harmony and mystery would never be given to fits of mania or depression, nor likely to seek revenge upon creatures who are virtually nothing in the grand sceme of the known Universe.
     
  7. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    of course, not. not the same god who created pol pot and hilter and famine and war and malaria and southerntgr and the skin disease that killed that kid last week.
     
  8. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    yep, same dude.
     
  9. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    he is a complex fella, this god. he is ok with me
     
  10. locoguano

    locoguano Founding Member

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    Generally speaking, the Old Testament is seen as something similar to the Constitution...
    The New Testament is seen as the Amendments.

    No more 3/5ths Compromise and such.
     

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