So Russia is taking over the Ukraine

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What do you want him to do, tough guy? Bomb Moscow? Obama has not hesitated to use force when it is appropriate. This time we are garnering International support, bucking up NATO allies, and allowing Putin to trip on his pecker. Cold Wars are marathons, not sprints.

    http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-crisis-gives-nato-alliance-purpose-152109745.html

    http://news.yahoo.com/moldova-tells-russia-dont-eye-annexation-140131310.html
     
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    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    How can Putin trip on his pecker when he has it up Obama's ass?

    A month ago in a different conversation you said I should be embarrassed - because I had the silly notion that Obama was getting slapped around by Putin. I've been gone a while I came back and surprise surprise Red is still propping up Obama's foreign policy. Defending the indefensible. A key cornerstone of that policy was a Russian relationship reset and then using Russia as a partner to solve thorny issues like Iran.

    Red are you OK with giving up countries to Putin for that reset that has not bore fruit; or are you embarrassed yet?
     
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    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    Russia is now reconsidering the Iran and nukes deal.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Get real. Putin is is the one suffering international condemnation, not Obama. Putin is the one under pressure from inside and outside. Putin is the one having to deal with the consequences of his actions. Putin is the one that must worry about revolution from within. Putin has not challenged the US on anything within the US sphere. He is desperately trying to retain some influence over Syria and Ukraine, two countries within Russia's sphere of influence. And he is in danger of losing both of them.

    It's still a silly notion. What exactly did Obama do to create this? Nothing. This was Putin acting out. Ukraine is not a US ally and we are not the worlds policeman. What exactly would you have Obama do that he hasn't done? Be specific. Putin taking over Crimea does not affect the strategic balance in any way. He still can't reach the open seas without the permission of NATO.

    Watch and learn, junior. This thing is not over, it's barely begun. Cold Wars are marathons, not sprints. First of all Russia has not taken any countries yet, much less Obama "giving up" any countries. He has taken small pieces of two countries. Ukraine isn't a member of NATO, it's a member of the Commonwealth of Independent States . . . Russia's former Soviet client states. Georgia has already left the CIS and you can bet that Ukraine is next.

    Ukraine is still independent and will likely remain so, if only because it is too expensive for Russia to invade and occupy Ukraine, not to mention the foreign relations and economic disasters it would bring. The US and NATO has already sent reinforcements to nearby NATO countries that feel threatened by this. Economic consequences of this will hurt Russia, but the EU has more leverage than us economically. Obama has taken the lead, but it will require the Europeans stepping up to the plate. But make no mistake, Russia is vulnerable to economic pressure. Even more so than the Soviet Union, which collapsed after a few decades of Putin-like action.
     
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    When all is said and done, this Crimea deal will be a disaster for Putin. In reality, the Crimea has been "russian" for a long time, only recently (speaking relatively) was it not part of Russia, but if you read the fine print, it was pretty damn Russian, even under the flag of the Ukraine.
     
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