So much for staying the course

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  1. TigerKid05

    TigerKid05 Say Whaa!?!?

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    So, you acknowledge that Saddam HAD WMDs. What I said to Supafan was:

    "It's naive to believe that Iraq didn't have WMD's, especially during the Gulf War and to believe that Saddam didn't go out of his way to hide the weapons is wrong too."

    I never said they were going to be used against us or that they were even dangerous in the state which they were discovered. What I said is something that is well known and believed and what I consider to be true: Iraq HAD WMDs and has USED them (On the Iranians and on the Kurds). I also believe that Saddam hid WMDs from inspectors, specifically in Syria.

    The link reveals that US Coalition Forces on the ground in Iraq did find the WMD's that had not been destroyed by order of UN Resolution 687.

    Sarin and Mustard Gas are chemical weapons and therefore, they are weapons of mass destruction.

    Sarin has a short shelf life, only a few weeks to a few months depending on the condition. However, there are ways to extend the life of Sarin and according to the CIA, Iraq did use methods to extend the life of the Sarin gas. There are 3 methods of doing this.

    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas#Shelf_life)

    • The shelf life of unitary (i.e., pure) sarin may be lengthened by increasing the purity of the precursor and intermediate chemicals and refining the production process.
    • Incorporating a stabilizer chemical called tributylamine. Later this was replaced by diisopropylcarbodiimide (di-c-di), which allowed for GB nerve agent to be stored in aluminum casings.
    • Developing binary chemical weapons, where the two precursor chemicals are stored separately in the same shell, and mixed to form the agent immediately before or when the shell is in flight. This approach has the dual benefit of making the issue of shelf life irrelevant and greatly increasing the safety of sarin munitions.
    For the record, I didn't bring up the whole issue of WMDs. I just said we need a new plan for Iraq but stay until ithe job is done.

    All clear??
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Nobody disputes that Saddam had chemical weapons in the 1980's. What I don't acknowledge is that Saddam had any WMD's in 2003 when Bush invaded him.
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    No, I am implying that history is littered with examples of peoples wanting democracy and creating it themselves.
     
  4. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    then it should happen even easier if we help them!
     
  5. MFn G I M P

    MFn G I M P Founding Member

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    Japan?
     
  6. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    They actively sought out democracy after WWII. It was not forced on them.
     
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    Germany, Japan, Italy, Austria, Philippines, Panama, Turkey

    To a lesser degree: India, South Africa, Israel
     
  8. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i think is quite a compliment to bush's actual strategy that instead of hearing actual critiques of tactics, you get mentions of changing the terminology in order to better describe what is happening to the press.

    "stay the course" means "don't give up on a hard task just because it is as difficult as you anticipated". it can be misconstrued to mean "ignore what happens, mindlessly follow the plan". so this is a bit of clearing up of ambiguity. closing down a loophole in terminology that critics will try to use to mispotray strategy.

    a non-story that only a mindless political hack or unreasonable critic would care about.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    That's rich! "The Course" isn't about tactics, it's about presidential foreign policy. What a smokescreen!

    No, that would be, "I think I can, I think I can," from The Little Engine that Could. :lol:

    No, that's actually the proper definition: "Stay The Course" -- Persist in an action or policy; remain with a plan despite criticism or setbacks. Link: The Phrase Finder

    Nonsense. It signals a policy change coming, a child could see it. The neocons have realized that the course they have chosen is the hellbound train. There are changes in the foreign policy course coming. So all the President's men are avoiding the old buzzwords to begin preparing us.

    Here's another signal. For years Bush has refused to consider any timetable for withdrawal. Before much longer you will hear them use the "T" word. They are already using synomyms like "milestones". And right before the election.

    Of course some bull Republicans have recently been suggesting that the Iraq policy is not working, too. Preparing the flock.
     
  10. JSracing

    JSracing Founding Member

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    Well isnt this typcial?

    If they get out early and it fails, the left will say, should have never been there. If they get out on a time table the left will say, " we wanted a time table all along and this wasn't fast enough".

    If by some weird science it works, the left will say, it eas because of all the DNC pressure on the administration.

    no matter what happens the left will construe it to look like they either knew it was inevitable and they thought of it first. they want credit. :dis:

    what's changed about the DNC NP/HC Party in 15 years? answer? nuttin.
     

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