Seven Healthcare Myths

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    But you haven't shown why! What part of the constitution forbids a national health care initiative?
     
  2. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    Ron Paul:

     
  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    We've debated this before and you demonstrated a fundamental misunderstading of the Constitution. I can't help you.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Quoting Ron Paul is no help. Quote the Constitution.

    Well, one of us has. What a cop-out.
     
  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    If you are waiting for a quote that indicates the founders had the foresight to specifically forbid every conceivable eventuality, then, I can't give you that.

    If you consider the intent laid out by the authors, which was less government intrusion into peoples' lives, then it would be crystal clear.

    Can you quote me a law that specifically says it is illegal to break into an arcade and steal coins?
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I understand. It's just that for it to be unconstitutional, there has to be something specific in the constitution that it conflicts with.

    This what I'm talking about.

    1--There is nothing in the document about "less government intrusion into peoples lives."
    2--How do you "consider the intent of the authors"? If they did not lay it out clearly in the vital document, then they did not intend it.

    Louisiana law applies.

    RS 14:62.4 — Unauthorized entry of a place of business
    RS 14:60 — Burglary
     
  7. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Article 1, Sec. 8 specifically lays out the powers to Congress vested by the Constitution. There are 17 of them, none of which imply Congress has the power to run Health Care, or anything else other than Banks and Post Offices.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    A great deal more, actually, but nothing about health care. It does require congress to "make laws".

    Article 1, Section 9 - Limits on Congress, specifically lays out what Congress cannot do and again health care is not mentioned. Neither is The New Deal, The Civil Rights Act, The Monroe Doctrine, Emancipation, Manifest Destiny, or thousands of other Congressional Acts and laws.
     
  9. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    If it ain't in the 17 "can dos" it can't be done. The courts will ultimately decide.
    The Democrats are trying to use this power:

    to support the constitutionality. Here are 2 divergent views:

    ACLJ • American Center for Law & Justice

    statesman.com | Health care and the Constitution | Grapeshot

    IMO that's reading too much into it, but that's how courts have managed to screw things up in this country for years.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not true. The Constitution is a framework for a government, not the entire government.

    NASA is not in there. National Parks are not in there. Secession is not in there. The Federal Reserve is not there. Social Security is not in there. Customs and Border protection is not in there. Medicare is not in there. The Food and Drug Administration is not in there. The US Geological Survey is not in there. And about 1,000 more governmet agencies and programs not specifically spelled out in the COnstitution, but deemed necessary by Congress to run a complex modern nation.
     

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