Seriously...do we have a REAL reason why Lee doesn't play?

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  1. Ahab the Arab

    Ahab the Arab Veteran Member

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    Not really. Nevertheless, I’d be willing to give him a chance to quiet all the people calling for him to start based on a silly spring game performance where the speed and intensity isn’t close to replicating the speed and intensity of an actual game, where the defenses are vanilla, where blitzing is not allowed, and where he doesn’t have to worry about being sacked. Not only that, but he stunk it up big time in 2008 in his 8 starts and he stunk it up again big time in relief of JJ in 2009.

    He won’t throw TDs, as last year at Bama and La Tech he proved that he is far less accurate than JJ in real games. In practice drills and before the games when he has time to set his feet, he looks like he throws a pretty pass especially with that quick release, but when he is being rushed as in a game and when he doesn’t have time to set his incredibly slow feet, his accuracy and pretty throwing motion both go out the window, and that’s when the interceptions, pick sixes, and incompletions start mounting up.

    Not to mention that JJ doesn’t read defenses too well. Hence, with Crowton’s ineffective option route offense, he throws passes to where he thinks the receivers will be, but the receivers make different reads and end up somewhere else, with the result being incompletions or worse interceptions. While JJ, on the other hand, buys time with his feet to wait until the receivers make their cuts, then makes his throws, which is why he doesn’t throw as many interceptions.

    The main problem with JL is he is so slow that when he is rushed he doesn’t have time to set his feet, with the result being a very inaccurate pass. Last night if he had faced the same kind of pressure WVU put on JJ in the second half, JL would have been sacked at least 3 or 4 times if not more and probably would have thrown 4 or 5 interceptions. Not to mention also that when he is inserted in the game, the opposing defenses can cheat because they don’t have to respect that he will run the ball at all. At least with JJ in the game, the defense has to remain disciplined because JJ is always a threat to run, as he is a mobile QB.

    Well, I don’t know if you have been paying attention lately, but our offensive line in 2009 was far worse than in 2008 and this year’s 2010 version also sucks albeit not as bad as the 2009 offensive line. However, our defense is a lot better than it was in 2008 and 2009.

    Nevertheless, as dysfunctional as this offense is, I’d still like to see JL play if for anything to watch him self-destruct again and quiet all the JL homers, because it is very annoying having to constantly listen to you guys harping for JL to start all the time. I mean it should be obvious that if JL were the better QB he would be starting already.

    In any event, the problem is not the QBs. The problem is the offensive coaches both Crowton and Studrawa. At the last two schools Crowton coached at, he specialized in making their offensive stars look horrible, and he has certainly accomplished the same damn thing at LSU. Also, under Studrawa our offensive lines have steadily been atrocious.

    By the way, I don’t know if you have noticed, but Miles is also pretty incompetent in his own right. I’d like to get rid of him as well, but I don’t think we can. Hence, lets focus and concentrate on making him get rid of Crowton and Studrawa.
     
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  2. ccgw

    ccgw luv'em Tigers

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    I would try to quickly rescheme the offense to fit what JL can do, with a more balanced passing and running attack. Hope there is enough time before the SEC grind comes in.

    I think that can change the whole character of the offense, which is now toooo vanilla or FLAT/BOORING
     
  3. LSU_4_LIFE

    LSU_4_LIFE Founding Member

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    I spend quite a bit of time on this board. I know what you preach, you hate GC - WE ALL GET IT

    But cutting the cord is not going to happen being 4-0 coming off a win against a unbeaten top 25 team!

    So in you opinion, where are just phucked.

    You dont want to atleast give J-Lee a shot?

    I bet if we did, and Lee plays 10x better than JJ - you would preach that CLM has taken the play calling away from GC right?
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    BS. Jefferson has more interceptions than touchdowns.

    You are making up scenarios. :insane: Nobody knows how Lee would have done because Les won't play him.

    Obvious to who? How can you or anybody else know how Lee plays when he doesn't get to play?

    Ah . . . you haven't even watched any LSU games, clearly.
     
  5. LSU_4_LIFE

    LSU_4_LIFE Founding Member

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    All of your points are valid.

    However all of your points are based on last season

    I am only asking for an opportunity to see if he improved, because if we see the J-Lee we saw against La tech last year, than you are right We are better off with Jefferson.

    And we are basically doomed for the season and its a shame!

    One of them has to step up.
     
  6. LSU-SIU

    LSU-SIU Founding Member

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    Oh I don't expect them to do anything. Les rides his ponies until they fall over dead just like all Mid-West type coaches do. Wait to see how he throws Lee to the Lions.

    The choice is there either way. Throwing more QBs on the fire is not really going to help, maybe a short temporary boost.

    Once a loss comes with a sub-300 yard offense performance, you think it's ugly now, just wait.

    Lee is the only QB on the roster, not really going to help much, the major problem is not the QB position. I like Lee, I liked Lee when everyone else was hating on him, but that is not the fix... there is no quick fix. You have to address the problem, not the symptom.

    Cut the cord, move on, in time the offense can come back.
     
  7. Ahab the Arab

    Ahab the Arab Veteran Member

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    What Lee gave us against Bama and La Tech in relief last season was even worse than what JJ has given us thus for this year. However, as dysfunctional as Crowton's offense is again this year, I'd like to see Lee play if for anything to quiet all the Lee homers.

    The main problem with Lee is he can't handle the speed of the game because his feet are too slow. When he has time to set his feet he throws a pretty pass. However, when he doesn't have time to get set, which would be inevitably most of the time, his accuracy is the first thing to suffer.
     
  8. 65Grad

    65Grad Maturity is Overrated

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    Dear Ahab, you deride JL because he played good in the spring game, etc., etc. Well JJ played like SH!T in the spring game and hasn't improved! Time to give JL a start. This would be a great week to do it, against a Tennessee team that is woeful.
     
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  9. ccgw

    ccgw luv'em Tigers

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    In 2008 he was thrown to the fire prematurely, and at least he kept on fighting..
    In 2009, it was a single game where he underperformed.
    In 2010, he has shown further improvement in practice and spring game.

    It is dangerous and illogical to jump to conclusions in writing off JL just based on his past outings, particularly only one game in 2009 where there was just insufficient data. JL has got to start in the Tennessee game, while letting JJ's head cool off and re-wire. Let's see what JL can offer now with the better performing OL and running game. People do grow, you know...........
     
  10. LSUTigerDad

    LSUTigerDad 2009 Pick Em Champ

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    I learned a long time ago that when something is not working change it. Don't keep doing the same thing and getting the same results, change something. Why can't we make a change? I wish I knew the answer to this thread question. Maybe I would understand better.:confused:
     

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