Saban & Bama threads consolidated

I can understand that is what you are thinking, but, in all honesty, I don't see how you can back that up with emperical evidence. Frankly, I can't back my assertations up either. It's going to be a "wait and see" situation.

I do feel, based on what I'm hearing players say this year, and knowing the recruiting talents of the Asst. coaches he's brought on board, that the recruiting prowess of this staff will shock you. I've seen other rivals acknowledge he's developed a recruting machine...

How so? If you look over the national ranking back in the early to mid 90's you'll see the same trends then as you do now...3-4 teams in the top 15. The only difference I have seen when looking over it was MSU was in and out of the top 25 on occasion.

That's already started...and you couldn't be more correct. I've mentioned it here, I believe, that his first goal was to take over Mobile.

That being said, his visits have been as far SE as Miami, as far NE as Spartanburg, SC and as far West as TX. If you look over the staff, you'll see these areas are regions they've been recruiting for years.

 

Terry, I don't know what happened. Did my initial hatred of Saban lessen, or did you become more rational with your post? For a while there, I would get furious every time you posted a defense of Saban. But lately, I've come to the conclusion that you're doing a decent job of defending your new coach, and you're doing it with facts, and with respect to other posters, even if they aren't respecting you.
That being said, I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on CNS. As you know, when a coach, or player for that matter, has success, everybody is on board with him. People have short memories when his team gets blown out, only to blow out another team the next week. After that coach is gone, and in a less than honorable way, no less, people's memories become super clear. All of a sudden, we remember getting blown out nearly every time we played a good team like UF, and yes, Bama, during his tenure. Then we notice that we haven't been blown out except for the SECCG since CLM has arrived. With the schedule we've played the last two years, we've either blown teams out, or played close games. We aren't getting blown out by anybody. I can only recall one game since CLM arrived where we blew a lead and went on to lose, and that was the Tenn. game in '05, the post Katrina rescheduled game with all the drama. See what I mean? When things are good, you accept the excuses. Now, if CLM were to hypothetically take the Dallas job tomorrow, we might be saying "remember how he blew that Tennessee game, and how he got blown out against UGA in the SECCG?". But instead, we're saying those things about CNS, and we're praising our coach, CLM.
I see in your post a lot of hope for the future. I just hope you understand why we don't feel like Bama is going to light the world on fire under CNS. You see, right now we have a lot of hope for our teams future, too. And we can back it up with "experienced" facts. You guys have no experience with Saban yet. Soon we will all see how this turns out. I think CNS will be a great addition to Bama, and that you will see improvement immediately. I don't, however, think he will have the same successes he had while he was at LSU. We are both entitled to our opinions.
There's a lot of emotion in this game, from the coaches, players, and especially the fans. That's what makes it the best sport in the world.

 

Thank you Fishhead. Like it or not, it does appear we are beginning to see eye to eye. I have all the hope in the world some of the other LSU fans here will forgive you.

FWIW on Miles, I don't want to see him go to Dallas. I want to, in a couple of years, to be able to reflect on this time and discuss what's happened over the last few years.

I mentioned, either in this thread or another one, that I hope the rivalry doesn't escalate to the point the UT and Bama rivalry has. For one, the saving grace is you don't have someone like PF as your head coach. (not to mention your players understand the word morality)

I've had a lot of fun over the years hanging out with LSU fans pre and post game. Heck, enjoy posting here.

I don't think we've ever had a situation where the SEC is going to be as fun to watch as it is becoming. If you look at the HC's in place, everywhere you look you can see reason for a viewpoint that can be described as "my glass is half full...and getting more full."

 

No matter how much the Public Relations efforts tries to paint him as something other than what he actually did, the truth is this:

Nick Saban is a Quitter.

He did not have the guts to face the adversity involved in turning around the Dolphins franchise. Less than two full seasons after taking the Dolphins job, Nick Saban was already planning his departure. Saban left the Dolphins, because he lost confidence in his ability to succeed, so he returned to the warm familiar environment of the NCAA, rather than face the risk of failure in the NFL.

I'm sorry, folks, but . . . where I come from . . . we call that A QUITTER.

So, for all of you young men out there thinking about playing for Nick Saban, remember that actions speak louder than words, and remember Saban's gutless desertion of an NFL franchise.

 

Of course neither of us can prove anything about that at this point. We'll know in about 3 years for sure. The only "facts" I could offer are that his recruiting at Michigan St did not show him to be one of the premier recruiters in the nation. LSU allowed him to recruit as well as he did. That being said, Alabama has a lot of tradition, great facilities, fanbase etc, so he will have a lot to sell recruits on... The difference is that Bama is in a state which isn't as furtile for recruits as Louisiana is, and they also have to split recruits with Auburn. This is why I think his classes will not be as good as what he had at LSU.

He has assembled a pretty good staff as far as recruiting ability is concerned - particularly the DC ya'll got. Nick's staff is prone to lots of turnover though, which can have some negative recruiting effects.

 

Well said!!!:thumb:

 

Jean L.,


Is that your opinion of Spurrier as well? Carroll? Al Groh?

 

Two things:

1) Auburn's recruiting base, historically, has been a part of Alabama with a lot of attn. paid to Georgia and Florida.

2) Alabama's teams, while getting a lot of good players out of the state, hasn't been limited to just Alabama players. In fact, if you take a second and look at where the recruits visiting are coming from, you'll see it is from all over the SE.

Red, I think you are partially correct here. But, I think another factor weighing in to their frustration is comparable to the Phoenix rising from the ashes. Time and again since the passing of Bryant, we've seen situations where a lot of Auburn fans thought the program was out. Curry led to Stallings. Sanctions in '95 lead to the near title run in '96. Debbie-gate (DuBose sect) led to SECC in '99. Enter Shula, the W's in a row, and once again the program has risen from ashes. (rising may be a better word).

In an article I read today one phrase stuck out to me. "If you are going to strike the King, make sure he's dead." I'm not saying Alabama is the King...but, using that just as an analogy.

 

FROG-KING?:lol: