Saban at Michigan State

Dennis Franchione is still very much alive. It's his career that's dead...

 

Oh I thought Mike Dubose was still living.:wink: I'm sorry for your loss. Desperate to post on this forum I guess. Must not be any fun in Bama land anymore.:thumb: You goin to Shreveport? Good Luck to ya!:LSU231: :helmet: :crystal: :crystal: :milesmic:

 

This thread was doomed from the beginning. Absolutely nothing good could come from a thread dedicated to bashing a former coach who did a LOT for us. There's no point in trying to discredit him because he was a former coach and that doesn't make any sense. I could care less about what he or Les Miles did before LSU because I trust that our athletic director looked beyond the school records and more at the coaches, and the many things they evaulate in a coach. What matters is what they did or are doing at LSU, pretty much every else is irrelevant because going to LSU will drastically change how good a coach looks.

 

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Bill Curry is a much more fun target.

 

LSUTyga73, you live in Ohio. If you lived down here, you would know that Miles-bashing is rampant. For the last 3 years, I keep hearing "well Nick Saban would have done this" or "Nick Saban would have done that" and that Les Miles sucks because he's not Nick Saban. This thread presents some black and white facts that show Saban was a great LSU coach, but not a God. And this thread presents some black and white facts that show Miles is a great LSU coach, not an idiot. This thread also shows that Dinardo was not the "Retardo" everyone thinks he was, and he deserves a lot of credit for building LSU as well.

 

Roygu, the same goes to you. You live in Tennessee. You don't know what it's like down here. If you had to live down here and hear over and over how bad Coach Miles sucks, and that Saban is God, you'd understand. And I see you view Dinardo negatively, like he deserves no credit. Those two wins v. Tennessee and that first SEC Championship you give Saban ALL the credit for would have never happened had Dinardo not gotten our program up to a level of success (both in the pollls and with recruiting) that left a solid enough program in place that any great coach would have done well with (I tried to show it pretty obviously in the above facts I posted). Fortunately, Saban was a great coach. But so is Miles. This thread also attempts to makes it pretty obvious that if Miles had come here after Dinardo instead of Saban, the chances are he'd have done just as good as Saban did. The main point is not to bash Saban, but to show that he is not God, and that Miles is at least as good a coach as Saban (if not better).

 

I'm not going to bash Nick (I'll always be a Tiger) Saban, on this thread at least. But I live here, in BR (well Brusly) and the above posts are correct, for three years Miles couldn't win. Nothing he did was as good as Saban would have done. Saban went to bama, and most jumped on the Miles bandwagon, and now it's the bama fans giving Saban credit for anything good that happens to the LSU football program. While giving him absolutely none of the blame for the dolphins. How's that for spin?

The truth is, Dinardo recruited a prettty good team, but not a lot of depth, due to some questionable recruits who never hit the field. What cost him was bad co-ordinator hires (Tepper and not replacing Watts with a qualified OC) So Saban hit the perfect strorm. A pretty talented team that quit on it's last HC, and an administation and fanbase so hungry to win, it bought into everything he felt he needed to establish a winner. He was able to go 8-4 his first year, we all got on his bandwagon, and he made it grow from there. He's a great recruiter, and there were some exceptional talent available in La. at the time he was here. Again, perfect storm.

Miles comes in, and keeps the recruiting high, hires great asst. coaches, and no one could have done any better IMO. Who? Rich Rod? The guy who lost to a 4-7 Pitt when he was poised to play for a NC? How would that have gone over in BR? Or even Stoops? Who lost two games at home to unranked teams?

Miles is a very good coach. And entertaining, to boot. Going for all those 4th downs, "Have a great day!" Saban is a very good coach who came at the perfect time and did a great job. Could he have sustained it at least as well as Miles? Probably. Can he repeat that at bama? Maybe, but to the level he did here?

 

I'm having a tough time deciding which coach is a better football coach: Saban or Miles.

I think that we should start a thread on this and talk about it more . . . maybe even set up a poll or something.

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That is not true, I read the boards everyday. I know exactly the polarization between LSU fans in regards to Saban and Miles. Message boards are no longer a place to discuss Tiger football. If you disagree with a coaching decision and voice your opinion there is no debate, you are an idiot and a Miles basher and you must be a Saban lover. Tearing down Saban does not improve Miles. Miles is on his way to setting his own mark at LSU. Next season he will have his recruits and on paper they are awesome. If we continue to compete for the SEC Championship then there will be fewer doubters.
In regards to Dinardo, I was one of his staunchest supporters on the old Geaux On Line board, until the very end. However, once he was fired he did an interview with Charis Warner, if I remember correctly. He stated that he refused to hire Rich Rodriguez because, he would have to learn a new offensive scheme, then I realized the man has problems. RR was actively campaigning on WWL for the position. Tulane, with Rodriguez offense, had just completed an undefeated season and had embarrassed LSU. LSU's offense was struggling yet he wouldn't hire one of the best offensive minds in the country because Dinardo would be required to learn a new system. Thankfully Miles does not have that problem. He attempts to hire the best coach available and it has paid huge dividends.