Saban at Michigan State

It's a damn shame how much time you spend on this forum and still can't tell when people are being sarcastic and/or facetious. Still waiting on you to point out those omnipresent holes...

Really, where? All I saw you do was say that something that John brought up 'weakened' his comparison. You asserted that he his skewing his data, when the truth is that he's being rather fair about it.

 

I don't know if I would try to make too much out of the two coaches prior records, as it is hard to compare apples and oranges; unless the teams they were at were in the same conferences with similar recruiting bases. Of course a winning record is always favorable, but valid only to a certain extent.

That being said, I was just wondering what defines a good football coach.

A. Ability to get/prepare the team to play their best.
B. Ability with great play calling /game management.
C. Ability to hire and identify GOOD coaching assistants.
D. Ability to recruit.
E. Ability to win the players' hearts.
F. All of the above


Going with the track record of Miles at LSU (with LSU already successful when he took the helms), one cannot argue that he did a fantastic job with three -peat 10+ win seasons. However, I see that as due to a combination of good players maturing, great coaching assistants, and several of the points listed above. And , as always, a little bit of luck here and there. I think he did heck of a job carrying the team through the difficult times of Katrina. With subsequent seasons, I would expect some up and down years with Miles; but hopefully he can maintain LSU as being a perenial top 10 team. That's just the way things are: good examples are Florida, Texas and USC. I don't have a feel about Saban due to insufficient data or track record of him while at a successful program. He certainly is credited with bringing the LSU program from the **** to being the National Champs, while experiencing a DOWN season the year after before he left. He needs to be long enough at ALA to show what he's got!

 

Leaving off probationary periods, omitting "Big wins", using "X" number of years. You put the pieces together, I'm not doing all of your homework. Again, by his own admission, the facts were slanted- you conveniently keep overlooking that.

His comparison I commented on did weaken the fact in the context of the comparison he was trying to make, he knew it and admitted it.

 

Here's how the LSU coaches stack up since our first NC in 58. LSU was in the dumps during the Hallman years. Dinardo (using Hallman recruits such as Faulk, Mealy, McFarland, Faneca, etc) pulled us out of the dumps. With his success on the ball field, Dinardo was able to recruit players such as:

Offense -- T Brandon Winey, T Jason Baggett, C Louis Williams, QB Rohan Davey, QB Marcus Randall, FB Tommy Banks, RB Domanick Davis, RB LaBrandon Toefield, WR Josh Reed, WR Devery Henderson, TE Robert Royal

Defense -- DE Jarvis Green, DT Chad Lavalais DT Howard Green; LB Bradie James, LB Trev Faulk LB Lionel Turner, and CB Norman LeJeune; CB Corey Webster, CB Fred Booker, CB Demetrius Hookfin, DB Ryan Clark

Saban used these Dinardo recruits to build on the success LSU enjoyed under Dinardo. Miles is building on Saban's success. That's the way it goes.

Les Miles
2007 -- 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1, 5, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1, 5, 2...
2006 -- 8, 8, 6, 10, 9, 9, 14, 14, 14, 13, 12, 9, 9, 5, 4, 3
2005 -- 5, 5, 3, 3, 4, 11, 10, 7, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 3, 10, 6

Nick Saban
2004 -- 4, 6, 5, 13, 13, 24, 20, 18, 19, 17, 14, 14, 13,12, 16
2003 -- 14, 13, 12, 11, 7, 6, 6, 10, 9, 7, 4, 3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 2
2002 -- 14, 14, 24, 25, 24, 22, 21, 18, 14, 10, 17, 16, 14, 21, 18, NR, NR, NR
2001 -- 14, 14, 13, 15, 14, 18, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, 22, 12, 7
2000 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, 24, NR, NR, 22

Gerry DiNardo
1999 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1998 -- 9, 7, 7, 6, 6, 11, 21, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1997 -- 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 13, 13, 14, 8, 17, 16, 14, 11, 20, 17, 16, 15, 13
1996 -- 19, 18, 17, 20, 21, 17, 14, 12, 17, 13, 12, 11, 17, 18, 18, 17, 17, 12
1995 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, 18, 14, 21, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR

Curley Hallman
1994 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1993 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1992 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1991 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR

Mike Archer
1990 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1989 -- 7, 21, 21, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1988 -- 18, 11, 9, 7, 14, 19, 16, 13, 13, 12, 11, 16, 16, 16, 19
1987 -- 6, 6, 4, 4, 7, 7, 6, 5, 5, 5, 10, 9, 6, 7, 7, 5

Bill Arnsparger
1986 -- 15, 14, 8, 18, 18, 16, 12, 12, 12, 18, 12, 8, 5, 5, 10
1985 -- 13, 13, 12, 9, 8, 8, 20, 17, 18, 16, 15, 19, 17, 13, 12, 12, 20
1984 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, 15, 12, 10, 7, 15, 12, 9, 16, 14, 11, 15

Jerry Stovall
1983 -- 12, 13, NR, NR, 16, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1982 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, 18, 16, 14, 13, 11, 6, 12, 7, 13, 13, 11
1981 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1980 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR

Charles McClendon
1979 -- NR, NR, NR, 20, 17, 13, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1978 -- 13, 13, 10, 11, 11, 11, 16, 14, 12, 10, 17, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1977 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, 18, 16, NR, NR, 18, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1976 -- NR, 16, 15, 11, 20, 16, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1975 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1974 -- 9, 9, 7, 17, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1973 -- 16, 15, 11, 10, 10, 10, 9, 9, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 13, 13
1972 -- 11, 9, 8, 9, 8, 8, 7, 6, 6, 6, 8, 8, 11, 10, 11
1971 -- 9, 18, 16, 16, 12, 13, 11, 18, 20, 14, 10, 10, 11, 11
1970 -- 12, 12, NR, NR, 19, 15, 14, 10, 11, 9, 7, 6, 8, 5, 7
1969 -- NR, NR, 16, 14, 9, 9, 8, 12, 12, 10, 9, 8, 8, 10
1968 -- 18, 20, 14, 10, 8, 20, 18, 14, 20, NR, NR, NR, NR, 19
1967 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1966 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1965 -- 8, 7, 5, NR, NR, 9, 5, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, 8
1964 -- NR, NR, NR, 9, 7, 9, 8, 9, 8, 6, 7
1963 -- NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1962 -- 5, 5, 6, 4, 6, 4, 9, 10, 8, 7, 7

1961 -- 5, NR, NR, NR, 10, 7, 6, 4, 4, 4, 3, 4
1960 -- NR, 1, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
1959 -- 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 3
1958 -- 15, 13, 11, 9, 3, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1

 

In 99' Ohio State went 6-6 and Notre Dame went 5-7, so you could probably drop them off that list.

 

John, would you get out of the way here? Can't you see CC and I are trying to have an argument over you and your dang post(s)?? :lol:

 

Michigan State has three national titles, they won it again in 66'.

 

And the team they tied with shouldnt have.

 

2000: 5-6
2001: 7-5
2002: 4-8

 

Saban suggested Bobby Williams as his replacement. He suggested Houston Nutt as his replacement at LSU. The man's an egomaniac & quite frankly he wants the program to suffer without him.