True. I forget that a lot you people know nothing about Texas. Do you have a better analogy for people that don't know anything about Texas?
Compare how Miles did at OSU to what one of the greatest coaches in history did at OSU. Here is how the great Jimmy Johnson did at Oklahoma State before Miami hired him (he would go on to take Miami and the Dallas Cowboys to championship seasons) Jimmy Johnson 1983 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR (8-3) 1982 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR (4-5-2) 1981 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR (7-5) 1980 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR (3-7-1) 1979 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR (7-4) Compare to how Miles did: Les Miles 2004 NR, NR, NR, 25, 25, 22, 16, 22, 20, 19, 25, 23, 23, NR, NR 2003 24, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, 23, 18, 14, 21, 24, 23, 22, 21, NR 2002 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 2001 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR Bob Simmons (with Les Miles at Dallas Cowboys ) 2000 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 1999 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 1998 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR Bob Simmons (with Les Miles as OC) 1997 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, 20, 16, 12, 19, 25, 24, 25, 24, 24 1996 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 1995 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR
I don't think it would matter, there have been too many holes in your argument pointed out throughout the thread already that make it obvious you're cherry picking things to skew - or "Slant", as you said yourself, the data. Perhaps a better suggestion would for people who know nothing about "Coaching", other than to look at wins and losses, in isolation, to avoid debates about them.
Are you suggesting that people on here slant their views to make people look worse, especially Saban? I dont believe you. Seriously, we all know Saban is going to coach LSU because he wants to be here, his wife has friends here, he is very unhappy, Alabama expects too much, he misses botox and his mistress while not being able to recruit Atlanta. This may be a rumor, but he will be back, because Miles is still going to Michigan.
I am curious how Michigan State would have looked in a few years after Saban departed. He had collected some talent on that team. Duckett and Buress are two that come to mind right off the bat.
Holes? Such as? You're telling us that you're not cherry-picking by making that futile observation about Texas? You're telling us that Miles' record/success at OSU was dissimilar to Saban's at MSU? Make your case, bro. The facts in this thread are pretty black and white, and you'd be hard-pressed to refute them. But, since you seem to think that the 'holes' are so abundant and obvious, perhaps you'd care to enlighten the rest of us that simply don't understand coaching and/or football. Your quest for pragmatism lately has made your views more slanted than anyone else's...just in the other direction. The facade that you've put up has become rather transparent. No one's buying it.
Are you serious? First you give me a little red "bad reputation" mark for treating you like you were stupid, and now you write this? Grow up.
Well, being as "Pragmatic" as I am, I'll let his words prove my point: As far as the first paragraph of your post, I wasn't trying to say Miles' was dissimilar to Saban's, I was actually saying not to try to show where Saban's were dissimilar to Miles'.
You got me curious as well. After Saban, MSU gave the HC job to their team's RB coach, Bobby Williams (why I have no idea). In his first year (1999), he started off the season 5-2, including a win over #6 Michigan. According to the website MSU has for him, the Spartans were decimated by injuries during the second half of the Big Ten schedule, with 10 starters sidelined for a combined total of 58 games. In his second year (2000), MSU beat #16 Notre Dame and #9 Purdue. According to wikipedia, MSU fired him in the middle of the season -- and that he is most noted for a press conference in which when asked, "Do you still have control of your team?", he simply responded with, "I don't know. I have no idea why MSU hired him in the first place. I mean this was his previous experience: Graduate assistant at Purdue (1982); running backs and defensive backs coach at Ball State (1983-84); offensive backfield coach at Eastern Michigan (1985-89); receivers coach at Kansas (1990); running backs coach at Michigan State (1990-99). Anyway, this is how the coaches did at MSU since Saban: John L. Smith 2006 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 2005 NR, NR, NR, 17, 11, 19, 16, 22, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 2004 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 2003 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 25, 21, 15, 11, 9, 14, 21, NR, NR, NR, NR 2002 18, 18, 15, 15, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR Bobby Williams 2001 NR, NR, NR, NR, 23, NR, NR, NR, NR, 22, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 2000 25, 24, 24, 22, 23, 18, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR Nick Saban 1999 NR, NR, NR, NR, 19, 14, 11, 5, 11, 19, 19, 19, 17, 15, 11, 10, 9, 7 1998 23, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 1997 25, 25, 25, 21, 17, 12, 12, 15, 21, NR, NR, NR, NR, 25, 25, NR 1996 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 1995 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR Previous Coach(es) 1994 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 1993 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, 25, 24, 22, NR, NR, NR, 25, 25, NR 1992 NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 1991 20, 19, 18, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR 1990 23, 22, 19, 24, 22, 18, 24, NR, NR, 24, 23, 24, 23, 22, 16
