It sure as hell is the real deal as it was the basis for the investigation. When Wiki leaks leaked the emails we blamed Russia without EVER looking at their server. That was the start of it. You tell me brother, how is it possible to run forensics on a server you never touch? Now we know that Obama had Russia under surveillance for a long time yet when did Obama mention that? After Trump won. Care to say what information Obama gave us as facts? None. His holdovers simply leaked information that wasn't really relevant. Like person X had a conversation. The horror.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...ssia-hacking-timeline/?utm_term=.b56434b8aabf Suggesting that one of us should or must produce, "in our own words," an explanation for how Russia meddled in our election is just silly. The sheer propensity of information that has gone into this is mind boggling, which further reinforces my bewilderment that you still believe there is no evidence. So I have posted a link to a definitive timeline of events that have precipitated today as it pertains to the Russian meddling investigation and the evidence surrounding it. But to do you a favor I will summarize: Russia hacked the DNC and stole e-mails which they selectively published through Wikileaks to make Clinton and her staff look bad. At the same time, Russia placed facebooks ads all over the country in counties that Obama won but Clinton was vulnerable in that contained fake news about Clinton and her team. These were strangely timed in conjunction with the selective publishing of DNC e-mails. This is where pizzagate was born. Lastly, the Trump team were also oddly aligned with the release of information. Roger Stone even alluded to it during the campaign and bragged that he had been in contact with Guccifer 2.0, the hacker responsible for feeding the emails to Wikileaks and a known pawn of Putin and the Russian state. All 16 of our intelligence agencies have publically testified that Russia meddled in our election, the vast majority of Republican Senators and Congressmen are convinced that Russia meddled in our election, even members of the President's own cabinet are convinced that Russia meddled in our election. The ONLY people who don't believe that Russia meddled in our election are the Russian, Trump and guys like you.
Sorry, I don't see the big deal about meddling! Why would they not meddle. Meddling, especially in the absurd manner it was conducted, is humorous. OBTW, the good ole US of A does it all the time. Often with lead or C-4, not just emails and fake news. Hillary was a flawed candidate. The hubris of the DNC and its managers, as was the case with the primaries, is the driver of this goose chase. They still don't get it! Personal responsibility is the cornerstone of democracy. Voters to stupid or ignorant to navigate the flood of information on a course of reality might fall for the ham fisted meddling. Perhaps dumbass, under educated voters are what is dooming the nation. Uhmmm. And one more time, as Shane continues to point out, if there was neither dirt nor offensive information in the emails, then there would be no harm, regardless of disclosure. For the dim, if every hacked and released email, every one, had the lyrics and only the lyrics of "Mary had a little lamb" what possibly would have been the harm? You see, it was the democratic party's content, not the leak, that was damaging. It is just not that hard to understand.
So your response is a link to a hacking timeline in which none of our agencies reviewed the hacked servers. I would like you to explain how on earth they came up with "Russia" hacked the DNC without inspecting the server. Other than that you have: Fake News - as you quote it. LOL Facebook ads...... Lets review shall we? Here is the evidence: A DNC hack which no one on this planet has seen or even produce evidence on. Except the DNC.... Ok bro Fake News Facebook adds swaying voters. Solid stuff bro. You know, your "Fake News" from Russia is laughable. I mean, did you even see the coverage by the news media vs Trump. is that really part of your argument for Sanctions? You are right though, there was collusion. Collusion against Bernie.
exactly correct took the words right out of my mouth My only wish would have been that that the RNC IT teams would have been as incompetent as the DNC's so we could have seen the dirt from both sides.
agree that russiamania started with Clinton as an excuse for running a horrible campaign and agree that there's no concrete evidence that we've seen and agree that the server hold the key to a lot of this. also agree with your statements regarding Obama. none of that changes the conclusion that Russia interfered, most likely through social media. the degree of interference is the argument. It looks like those supporting trump are using either of these defenses: you did it first or it's a witch hunt. The "you did it first" defense is a little humorous in that both sides agree that each other did it, the qualifier is who did it first. Both parties have colluded with foreign powers, Russia & Ukraine. The "Witch Hunt" defense is also interesting because as stated, the director of the FBI, CIA, NSA all agree that Russian interference occurred....not that it hasn't over the last however many years. Trump has openly called into question what his own appointed people are stating. both cant be right....which position is? The democrats are royally screwing this up as well. it's more than hypocritical to use this politically when they are doing the same thing. Ever wonder how congress could have a lower approval rating than the president?
You confuse asking for facts as support of Trump, as does many on the left. I am simply saying that foreign countries seeking influence or "meddling" is par for the course. We do it and we should "expect" it in return. I am not sure why this is difficult for people to understand. Its not that big of a deal if your house is in order. Clearly the DNC's "house" was not so its their own fucking fault. I would say the same if the GOP got hacked, but they have no platform to hack. They dont do anything.
I agree with what you said. But think about what you have said. Those open to influence via social media were done so with an unvetted internet app designed to show the porkchops you had for dinner, pictures of your grandkids, checking in at Walmart, or, heaven forbid, your relationship "is complicated". Just think about that for a minute. What does that say about this country and its voters??? And that, in no way, is the Russians fault. I am neither Dem nor GOP. I just hate stupid. I have been overwhelmed since the so called campaign started and remain so today.
