Russian issues

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  1. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    No i know what it means. Just dont see how or why it makes any sense or have seen zero evidence.

    My point this entire time is you guys are just regurgitating CNN.

    The DNC hacks happened WELL before the election yet Russia wasn't an issue because EVERYONE thought HRC had it in the bag. Trump wins now there is a shit storm.....

    LIke now, talking to an ambassador is some conspiracy. As if its somehow illogical to think that a foreign diplomat would seek to gain influence in the new administration. Like lol seriously? You people live in a closet?
     
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    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    So to conclude, seeking influence is NOT a crime nor should it be.
     
  3. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    No it is absolutely not.
     
  4. el005639

    el005639 Founding Member

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    "It would be treason if the trump team conspired with the russians to get the information or offered something in exchange."
    18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
    my statement is inline with the definition
     
  5. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    No, they would be guilty of pissing off that bitch. Russia telling some dirt on her to Trump or anyone else for that matter does not constitute treason. Same holds true for if Trump calls up Vladipoo and says "got any dirt on her" ? Not treason

    If he says "think you can find some dirt on her" ? Not treason

    I will flat out pay you for dirt on her, again, NOT treason.

    I will HELP you get dirt on her AND PAY you for it after , nope, still not treason.

    That's called winning. A stick up the ass of hrc and the dnc is not treason.
     
  6. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    According to the law as it's written it's not treason unless the actions of giving Aid and comfort to our enemies the technicality is that Russia is not a declared or even defacto enemy of the United States. We may have serious conflicts with the Russians policies but we are not in armed conflict with them. Despite the pushing and shoving of each other's global chess pieces the MAD policy is still very much in play. Even Putin isn't insane enough to risk the annihilation of Russia.
     
  7. el005639

    el005639 Founding Member

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    I'll state this clearly, I am happy that HRC did not win. I have no problem that Russians or anyone else for that matter made public the shit that was going on within the DNC. However if Trumps team colluded with the Russians to win, that is not good for us. So far their is no evidence of this. If it did, it at a minimum sets up the presidential team for extortion, which in my opinion would lead to someone actually doing something that is clearly treasonous.. Winning at all cost should not be the goal. And if the majority of Americans believe that then its just one more nail in the coffin.

    technically your probably correct, but it doesn't change my opinion on the matter
     
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  8. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    I'm not saying that there is no criminal act. Just that by definition it's not treason any more than it has been Canada instead of Russia.
     
  9. el005639

    el005639 Founding Member

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    looking at the list of persons convicted of treason in the US on WIKI, your probably right i withdraw my statement. treason is a very hard thing to convict someone of. i didn't realize there were so few.

    United States[edit]
    • Philip Vigol and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging; pardoned by George Washington; see Whiskey Rebellion.
    • John Fries, the leader of Fries' Rebellion, convicted of treason in 1800 along with two accomplices, and pardoned that same year by John Adams.
    • Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; see Dorr Rebellion; released in 1845; civil rights restored in 1851; verdict annulled in 1854.
    • John Brown, convicted of treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1859 and executed for attempting to organize armed resistance to slavery.
    • Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown's raid and was executed in 1860 for treason against Virginia.
    • William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War.
    • Walter Allen was convicted of treason on September 16, 1922 for taking part in the 1921 Miner's March with the coal companies and the US Army on Blair Mountain, West Virginia. He was sentenced to 10 years and fined. During his appeal to the Supreme Court he disappeared while out on bail. United Mineworkers of America leader William Blizzard was acquitted of the charge of treason by the jury on May 25, 1922.[11]
    • Herbert Hans Haupt, German-born naturalized U.S. citizen, was convicted of treason in 1942 and executed after being named as a German spy by fellow German spies defecting to the United States.
    • Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Forces pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen SS in 1944. He was paroled in 1960.
    • Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence.
    • Iva Toguri D'Aquino, who is frequently identified with "Tokyo Rose" convicted 1949. Subsequently, pardoned by President Gerald Ford.
    • Mildred Gillars, also known as "Axis Sally", convicted of treason on March 8, 1949; served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence.
    • Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952, but eventually released by President John F. Kennedy to be deported to Japan.
     
  10. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    A good point but that only amplifies mine. There was no crime here, well other than the ones committed by the bitch. It is absurd to try and spin this into any of the buzzwords that the left is crowing about on any given day. She got exposed and they are pissed off about it and that is really all there is to it. There is no conspiracy, the rooskies didn't infiltrate Pennsylvania or any other state in the rust belt and start punching ballots, they didn't hack any voter machines or any of that. They exposed a criminal and the electorate took notice.

    Nothing to see here move along.
     

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