I will ask again, when is a conversation collusion? The Russians in question have talked with Dems and given people on the DNC money as well. Was that collusion? Where is your proof? If you have none, that is called speculation. Go open a dictionary.
So again I ask If the people of the United States voted, and they did and we have a winner and we do how did the Russians rig it?
lol, the evidence is not in question. Both sides agree the Russians influenced the election through hacking and other means. http://time.com/4625301/cia-russia-wikileaks-dnc-hacking/ First and for most, the emails released by Wikileaks was proven to be gotten by Russian backed hackers by the CIA. The release of these emails weeks before the election was timed to influence voters. It even got the FBI director to come out and say they are reopening the investigation to look at the new information. That alone I am sure made many voters think twice about voting for Hilary. The party line was what if she gets indited after we vote for her. Also it is coming out that Russia employed other means of influence through fake news and bots that supported such fake news. I believe the article I read said up to a 1000 people were employed to run these bots and fake news outlets. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...k-warner-intelligence-committee-a7657641.html There has not been any proof of direct hacks that affected adding or removing votes that i know of.
The issue that is being investigated is did the Trump team collude with the Russians on these things. Not if it happened, it happened...
The CIA has already been proven to mask their attacks as China, Russia, etc IP's. Nothing you linked is any form of evidence worth a damn. I ask you to look up the China hacking cases for qualifications of proof. Non such as been submitted in the public in this regard. Not saying Russia didn't meddle, but they meddle in the same extent we do. If you don't think we use influence around the world for elections, etc, you are fooling yourself. For anyone to be "outraged" when another country attempts this is laughable. We are literally in the business of nation building.
It wasn't a video that caused it. She knew that. She said otherwise. She lied. Okay. So? I've already covered this issue with lasalle. Try to keep up and make the quote accurate. I am quite confident that my understanding of the situation is far superior to yours. I won't debate further because you are almost completely unhinged in this thread and you have a demonstrated history of an unwillingness to admit when you are wrong. It's a waste of time to debate. Hell, at least GDF has a sense of humor.
I'm not outraged at it. I am upset that he won due to it for sure, see below. The fact that Russia influenced the election does not upset me, I understand we do the same thing. What will and should upset us all is if the President colluded with them to win. Is he a Manchurian candidate? I don't care what side of the aisle you are on, this should worry you. I would of voted pretty much any republican this election but Trump, why... I think he is a laughable human being, and should never be fit to run our country. But that is my personal belief, I was out with him when I heard him say he assaulted women. Fuck locker room speech. I have lived through that shit with people close to me, and he was despicable to me at that moment. Had that not happened, I may have even voted for him. I hated Hillary being the nom, I wanted Bernie on the dem side and anyone else on the other, anyone.
Have any of you heard anyone state they changed their vote to Trump based on the released emails? I have heard no one say it. I've talked to a lot of people, watched a lot of political news and asked a lot of questions. No one!
