Russian issues

I think the interesting thing between @Tiger in NC and @LSUpride123, that neither of them are seeing, is that they are declaring Trump's guilt or innocence like they know one way or the other, that there was definitely collusion or there definitely wasn't collusion. Prove this, prove that. We will find out who is right and whose not at some point I guess

 

I'm actually not calling for his innocence. I will come out and tell you right now dude has more than likely been involved in shady shit. That amount of wealth breeds a power less than 1% of this world could suppress. 100% he pissed on Russian hookers.


What I challenge is this notion that Russia did anything out of the ordinary from what they have been doing from the 60's.


I only ask for evidence and facts as they speak for themselves. As soon as I ask for said evidence, I get labeled as "supporting" Trump. I am not sorry I challenge everything. Who's the lemming now? Their tone never changes, only their words. From dubious sources Red used to shoot down, to the bashing of Fox News, to now conspiracy theories on 4-Chan and Q. Yet, I never reference any of that. Its deflection. They are having trouble facing the reality that our system is broken and "their side" has lied to them more than Trump has. They have been exposed.


There has been a troubling unethical practices from within our own government I ask those here to acknowledge. I care more about our own house than the house of Russia. Their (Russia) purpose, in some sense, has already been achieved. To create infighting and sow the seeds of hate. Karl Marxs has laid it out. Its brewing in the streets.


The US political network is infested with jackals who seek only their rise in life. It has brewed for decades an the party-lines have molded into one with only an illusion of choice. We have real problems here, yet Russia. Its a distraction.


My position has been clear and I have not wavered from my stance. I 100% do not give a rip if Trump goes down or not. His purpose has been served. I merely offer guidance to the folly of the lefts and Never Trump GOP members rabid fight to preserve the system as we currently have it. Time is moving forward.


Trump was the catalyst for change. A change I believe that now cannot be stopped. He has doubled down on the EXACT nature of the beast we call politics. He calls your lies by ten fold yet delivers results? Yes, yes he does.


For a second, take a look around the world. Socialism is spreading. Its vast. Its spreading here. Its taken root. The Left's battle to fight Russia, yet they prop up socialist and Fascist ideals all baked in one. I am to be weary of Russia?


Russia has already won.

 

I think there is evidence of collusion or attempted with a foreign power on both sides.

 

Of course there is, always has been. Everyone in charge of anything from the POTUS down to every PTA leader at every school in the country will try to leverage favor, power or profit through back channels. It's almost human nature and like Pride mentioned, this is nothing different than what the Russians have been doing for 60 years now. The only difference this time is because an outsider won and they just dont like that enough people stood up and reminded them that THEY are supposed to work for US.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/09/christopher-steele-deripaska-bruce-ohr/

I mean, really folks...

• Christopher Steele was working on the Trump dossier at the same time he was lobbying DOJ official Bruce Ohr on behalf of a Russian oligarch linked to Putin.

"Steele’s relationship with Deripaska has been one of the more bizarre aspects of the dossier saga, mainly because it raises the possibility that the Putin-connected businessman was a source for the salacious document. Steele’s unverified 35-page dossier relies heavily on information from anonymous Kremlin insiders who claimed that the Russian government was colluding with the Trump campaign to defeat Hillary Clinton. (RELATED: Oleg Deripaska’s Lawyer Goes On The Record About His Senate Testimony)"

In case you didn't keep up, Steele worked with Deripaska who worked with Manafort...

No wonder Steele is sweating:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/08/steele-concerned-dossier-inquiries/

This is all to say, the lines of crossed a number of times in all this mess.

 

Just think about it. This Russian dude is clearly the source of the information, who is tied to Putin.

Ok, still on track?

Putin's top goal is miss-information.

What better way to do that than to feed the Dems info on Trump pissing on hookers and possible business deals in Russia all while reaching into the Trump Campaign for information.

Three sides to this story and the American sides (DNC and the GOP) got duped by this guy:

 

I'm so overwhelmed. So I'm gonna read Russian roulette starting this week to try and make sense of it all. I was doing good til this latest couple of rounds.

 

It is more and more looking like incompetence at the highest levels. I know this next comment wont go over well, but if the Obama DOJ and FBI would not have been politically motivated, this could have been avoided.

They were so focued on "her Turn" they got caught slipping by Russia.

The said part in all of this is the lack of communication to the Trump campaign DURING the election. They sat there and tried to let this play out for some reason unknown to me.

It makes no sense to let that happen especially if they think "collusion" is going on. The only reason I can think of is political bias in trying to end Trumps career.