Rex hates trump part deux

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  1. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    As I said, pure silly partisan hackery.
     
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    Healthcare is extremely complicated. Providers are being paid less and less and the costs are going up and up. I work in a large hospital system. With only 2 months into our fiscal year we are already $700,000 below budget. Insurance companies will deny claims for insignificant reasons. Then you have to appeal to get the payment approved. That takes time AND money. So the cost of healthcare rises to cover costs. Providers are asked to see more patients to collect more revenue and there is a great deal of burnout. Insurance companies is in the business of making money. They will always make money and to do that, they raise premiums. Employer paid healthcare rates are rising which in turn they subsidize less for the employee which means more out of pocket for the worker. Private insurance plans are so astronomical patients are choosing to take the tax penalty rather than pay the premiums.

    One thing that I don't understand why Congress wont look at is having an insurance policies option that crosses state lines. Bring in competition and the price will go down. Let someone from Ohio buy a policy from Texas if it is cheaper for them, then the Ohio policies will go down to try to attract consumers.

    Its a complicated problem that was made worse by Obamacare because they didn't take everything into account. They rushed it thru and that is why its failing
     
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    A lot of the executive orders Trump has done were to undo the ones that Obama had done. And I think that was the right move. He has done a few others not related to what Obama did - I will give you that. But the EO isn't going to go away. Congress needs to act on the issues they cover for them to go away.
     
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    I will say this though I'll probably be called mean and heartless for it. The first step to reducing the cost of healthcare is to remove the coverage for day to day maintenance. Does your auto insurance cover oil changes or new tires? Likewise health insurance shouldn't cover office visits or vaccinations or most minor procedures.
    Should insurance be forced to cover someone who eats smokes and drinks themselves ill, or be forced to charge that person the same as someone who looks after themself?
    Insurance coverage as a part of work benefits is the result of union contract negotiations in the 1950s and 1960s when the country and business had a unparalleled superiority in the world and employee cost wasn't a factor. It has skewed our perception of what is our due and we are now facing the consequences of those years.
    Why should healthcare be a "right"? Where is that in the constitution? There are good arguments to be made that a good society should help those in need. However that doesn't equal it being a right. BTW Medicare is a part of the problem. Should it be needs based? Why should I get it as I don't need it? Why did I have to sign up at 65 or lose my so called right to get it if I need it?
    Until we honestly debate and resolve these questions we're just arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
     
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    Her descent has been chronicled in many places. Yet you give nothing to back up your opinion do you? That's partisan hackery troll.
     
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    Several years ago I went to a town hall meeting by my congressman who was a democrat. It was when they were about to vote on Obamacare. People were angry. He asked how many would get rid of Medicare and 3/4 of the room raised their hands. He was shocked - you could see it in his face. Needless to say he voted for it and then he was booted out of office and replaced by a Republican
     
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    Point. Congressional abdication of power over the last 20+ years has done serious damage to the system. However the executive assuming power isn't the answer. It only leads to dictatorship.
     
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    Bullshit...who the hell are you to pontificate??? I didn't vote for trump or Hillary and voted for Johnson and wish the Fuck about 200 million more people did a few months ago.

    Liberalism to you is women voting....
     
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  9. Rex

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    By people like you? LOL

    Since the election she has written a best selling book.... and NOBODY, I mean NOBODY, has called it deranged, insane, demented, unintelligent, uneducated, childish, perverse.... you know, all those adjectives we regularly hear about Trump.
     
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    ????

    You really don't know how insurance works, do you?
     

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