Rape, Incest & Life of the Mother.

thats nice of you to say that. some people disagree with others and dont just make personal attacks. its cool that you dont operate that way. your personal attacks are cute and smart.

 

1. There is not reason not to believe in god. You can still always assert that the screwy nature of things is part of the plan.

Life begins at conception, but the 2, 4, or 8 cells that result in the next few days does not equal a person.

 

I once knew this guy who was a bookie. He is now dead but one time I head him say that you would have to be a fool not to believe in God. If you believe and it turns out there is no God no harm no foul but if you don't believe and there is a God then you are screwed for all eternity. It pays to cover your bets.

 

So long as you choose the correct god. Kind of a bummer if you are born Jewish.

 

what your pal didnt understand was that believing something isnt a choice. i can pay you a hundred billion dollars to believe i can levitate, and you still wont believe it even if you try really hard. you cant just "choose" to believe nonsense. or at least rational humans cant.

true, and killing those cells has no significance. just as the arbitrary time of birth doesnt mark the time at which human life is suddenly different. the question is whether its sad or not. killing 4 cells isnt very sad. neither is killing 8. clearly the sadness of killing a human is relative to how well you knew or liked the person. thats why its less sad if you baby dies at 3 days old than if he dies at 22 years old after you really like him alot. so killing a 3 month old fetus is not nearly as bad as killing your best friend. life has relative value.


the fact is abortion is murder, its just not a real negative for society to murder babies. it sounds too harsh to accept but that doesnt make it untrue. killing babies, particularly unwanted babies of terrible mothers is a good thing.

the thing that pro choicers can never admit is that abortion is murder, because no one will ever willing to admit that murder is ok in some circumstances. its ok to murder cows and eat them. its ok to murder half grown fetuses if you want. the pro choice claim that human life begins at birth is ludicrous.

the myth is that human life is sacred. it isnt. killing people is a good idea in many circumstances.

 

Your sadness metrics aside, you are asserting that abortion is murder. I am asserting that 4 cells is not a person and killing those 4 cells is not murder. It does not sound harsh, and I accept it.

 

And, you're gay.

 

sabanfan, i appreciate your middle school efforts at personal attacks. maybe we should call each other names until somebody wins, would that be fun? would you enjoy that? maybe we should make a rule that if you call me names more, then you win. would that make you happy? i am sorry if i hurt your precious litttle feelings and made you want to call me names.

so exactly how many cells does it take for it to be murder by your logic? at what point during cell division and growth should we tell the docs not to murder the kid? how many cells does it take before my killing them should get me arrested?

killing a developing human is murder, no matter the extent of development. play word games if it helps you feel better about it, but realize that A=A. killing is killing. human killing is murder.

claiming that birth makes a human exist is like saying binoculars make distant things exist. things exist independent of them being available for your viewing.

 

OK. You're ugly. Your turn.

 

I am not claiming that birth is the point at which a human exists. I personally abhor abortion. But, the question is when does a human being begin. I don't think it begins at conception. And, I don't have a good defintion at where to draw the line. Perhaps when the brain and central nervous system is functional. It's like porn - I know it when I see it. I just don't live my life according to absolutes like you apparently do.

Technology is now to the point that you don't need male sperm to create a life (e.g. cloning). So, how do you define life in this context if there is no concept of conception.