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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I'm not watching a 30-minute political speech that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    thats why i posted the relevant quote. the link was so yu could reference if you didnt believe me. thats what responsible people do, list their sources.stop making excused since i called you out for being dishonest.

    "We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others"

    -state dept

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/clinton-us-deplores-religious-intolerance-no-justification-violence

    we reject what? a film?

    "It's disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks"

    - romney.

    correct.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This country was founded upon religious liberty and she was expressing just that. Here is the ENTIRE quote . . .

    "Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind."

    We are also free to judge a video and find it disgusting. Have you forgotten that? Here is the ENTIRE quote . . .

    “This is a fairly volatile situation, and it is in response not to United States policy, obviously not to the administration, not to the American people. It is in response to a video, a film, that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting — that in no way justifies any violent reaction to it.”

    "For other countries it can be difficult to understand why the United States allows such offensive speech as that displayed in the anti-Muhammad film. The United States does not seek to limit freedom of speech, even speech it finds offensive."
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    you are making my point for me. i am asking you, why is it appropriate for the administration to judge a film to be reprehensible and disgusting? why is the adminstration doing film reviews? would you think it appropriate for them to review novels? do you think they like salman rushdie? i do. i know salman rushdie enjoys offending people. so be it, that is wonderful, not disgusting.

    should the administration say the bible is disgusting as well? there is slavery and genocide in there, right? what if i riot to protest the bible?

    if it is true that

    "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others"

    then do we deplore south park for mocking scientology? do we deplore you if i claim to be god and you denigrate me?

    this is very simple, the government is not to endorse religious beliefs. PERIOD. to say a particular view is sacred and should not be denigrated is crazy, crazy i tells ya.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I'm simply pointing our your dishonesty in cherrypicking quotes out of context. The full quote shows that they did not attack free speech at all. They just exercised free speech in criticizing a bad film's content.

    Romney is a liar and so are you. Nobody sympathized with those who waged the attacks. Exactly what statement suggests this?

    "Let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind." Hillary Clinton

    “This is a fairly volatile situation, and it is in response not to United States policy, obviously not to the administration, not to the American people. It is in response to a video, a film, that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting — that in no way justifies any violent reaction to it.” -- White House spokesman
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    you are cowardly avoiding my questions.

    "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others"

    does the united states deplore salman rushdie?

    does the united states deplore me, i denigrate every religion as much as possible.

    does the US deplore theo van gogh who was murdered for his film.

    no answer?

    does the US " firmly reject the actions" of me mocking supafan here? why not? i am intenionally mocking and disrespecting his religious views as hard as i can. i mean they are fucking stupid. is it deporable of me to say so?
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Because they can exercise the right of free speech, too. Having the freedom to make a film does not absolve you from criticism. How very stupid of you.

    None of these comments can be construed as a film review, they are simply opinions, freely expressed. Your examples are trite and dishonest.

    We have the right of free speech to deplore anything that we wish. And you know it.

    They did not say any view was sacred, you made that up. They did not endorse religious beliefs, they endorsed freedom of speech. They stated clearly that Americans uphold the freedom of expression even when they found it offensive. And this freedom of expression allows anyone, including the President, to criticize the free expression of others. Why are you against freedom of expression?
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You are a liar and a dickhead. I have answered them all, you just don't like having your ass handed to you.

    Deploring something is not forbidding something. You dishonestly only support free speech when it is something that you agree with. I deplore your insensitive attacks on the beliefs of others and it is my right to do so.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    so you refuse to anwswer the question. got it. on the question of whether the US deplores salman rushdie and theo van gogh, you have refused to answer. understood.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You ask questions to which there are no answers in a lame attempt to change the subject. I know of no instance in which the United States has deplored Salman Rushdie or Theo van Gogh. If you do, then please post the quotes here so that we may assess them.

    But you can't can you?

    You got nuthin'
     

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