You're delusional if you think a person's football knowledge is based purely on how much they post about it on a forum... And if you take your ANTI LEE glasses off for a second and pay attention, you'll notice that almost all of the older and more respected posters in this thread are against you on this and presenting valid counterpoints. I'm sorry, but you're not going to sway any of us here. Lee is the future and that's the end of it. IF he hadn't played AS WELL AS HE DID, we wouldn't have even had the 21 that we did. His play is the only thing that halfway worked, and there's NO denying that. Please go find something else to fault.
irrelevant to this discussion (good show last night BTW) also irrellevant to this discussion. Questions: On that lil bubble screen we run, where the wideout just stops and turns to the QB, how did you grade those. WR isn't running, so there is no in stride to take into acount. What about the pass to Byrd where he had to rifle it over a defender to avoid a pic. Of Course Byrd had to jump up to get it, but the ball was thrown in a spot where ONLY he could get it. How about on sideline routes where the ball is thrown to the guys BACK shoulder because of coverage (meaninig the wide-out STOPS and TURNS around to make the catch). How do grade those. What about the ones where a defender is closing in on that crossing route, and a pass that leads the receiver hangs him out to dry and get decapitated by a safety, so he throws it behind him to avoid the collision? These are all things that need to be taken into account that happened Saturday night. The Giants should bench Eli for some of those horribly innaccurate passes he threw Monday night. If not for a spectacular catch by Tyree on a terribly thrown ball, he wouldn't even have a Super Bowl ring.
Can't find an "official" Yards after Catch stat anywhere, but found this interesting Yards Per Attempt: Colt McCoy = 9.44 Jarett Lee = 7.41 Yards per Completion: Colt McCot = 11.89 Jarrett Lee = 12.53 Which breaks down to (nowhere near scientific, but you get the point): Texas WR = 2.45 avg Yards After Catch LSU WR = 5.12 avg Yards After Catch And McCoy is a Heisman candidate
Completely irrelevant is correct. You propose that everyone else is inferior because you take notes for a radio show? I have seen you say this a few times and asked you to support your claim of 80% of Lee's throws being off target(in your parameters). You merely support it by saying you took notes watching the game and tout your credentials as above. I then asked you if Lee only had only 8 passes on target and you said yes. Well buddy, I have a better deal for you. If Lee turns out to be awesome, you will just say he changed. You need to put up for the game you just watched and claimed he only hit 20% of his passes. I say he had more, so let's make a friendly wager. I am willing to put a significant sum of $ up in a paypal account and let a 3rd party watch the game and decide based upon your parameters, of breaking off a route(because of a throw, not coverage), turning completely around, or jumping 5 feet in the air. I watched it again last night and took meticulous notes, including the time of the game for every single pass, so it should be easy to verify. You are so far off it is laughable. I doubt you will admit it, but a nice $500-1000 wager should put it to rest. If Lee hit even 9 passes in stride, you will lose. Still want to claim that 80%? I will give you some free advice. Don't take the bet, 'cause it's a lot more than you claim. I like you dude, and respect your opinions on many things to do with LSU football, but I categorically disagree with you and am more than willing to prove it.
Wow. Crip, u being called out, homey. Dude's even puttin' his $$ where his mouth is. This is getting interesting....
Not trying to call him out. I just think it is an indefensible viewpoint. And one that can be debunked easily. I certainly am not trying to be nasty, but I can't think of another way to settle it. Seems like a silly argument to me.
Seriously guys it would help if you read the comments. I said that if he posted more on the board then HE WOULD KNOW THE TYPE OF POSTER I WAS. Not about his knowledge of the game! Dont have Anti Lee glasses on So by your first comment because they are older and more respected then me their knowledge is better. Come on dont make it that easy. And as far as respected goes you might want to do your homework (not that I am patting myself on the back or anything) I AM NOT TRYING TO SWAY ANYONE! I am simply presenting my opinion.. I thought that was what this place is for people to discuss differing opinions. To easy! I have said and I am man enough to stand by my comments. AT THE END OF THE SEASON if I an wrong about Lee I will prostrate myself before the fine members of this board and admit that I was completly wrong and a horses ass for bringing up this topic... ARE Y'all Man/Woman enough to do the same if I am completly right about this kid??????
Thank you considering I was doing it from a bar on my cell phone after a tough loss. To the thread YES. To his post about me not knowing what I was talking about with my numbers. NO I was simply stating that if he posted here more then he would better understand my numbers and means of posting. On the passes that I am talking about and have been since the beging of this thread are the passes where the WR is alone or one on one coverage and is in full stride and the passes is bad. 2 examples so you can understand: 1 pass to Dickson he was running straight down the middle of the field was about 5 yards from the line of scrimmage and Lee basically hit him in the back numbers. There was a defender on him at the time. 2 Byrd on a 10 yard slant across the middle of the field no pressure on Lee and the passes is so far behind that Byrd turns completly around while still trying to maintain his forward motion and the ball hits his finger tips. How is that any better then the receiver turning around backwards to make a great catch on a bad passes. If the ball is on target and the catch is made the WR has a chance to make a move where as if the ball is behind he is out of position to sprint off after the catch and takes the hit. Reguardless though when you go up the middle 9 out 10 tens your getting hit with a bell ringer! Totally Agree! I have admitted that. Maybe I am. But I think what is being loss here is I am looking at this being a problem down the road where everyone else seems to think that this is just nerves. He is a recruit to a very good program I would think his timing should be down. Some would say he is a backup. Fine he WAS a backup, since he has been a backup he has had 2 games PLUS a bye week to work on his timing. This scares me, because this is a problem that SHOULD be corrected in practice, I am concerned that this is a problem with his mechanics. Dont you think EVERY single team we have left to play isnt gonna watch this film and do the samething Florida did to us? Like I have been trying to say this is more about the games down the road not what happened in the Swamp, because even against Miss St his timing was not that of a starting QB in the SEC.
This is why I feel that there should be a YAC for each reciever. What pads our number is the bubble screens and the dump passes to the running backs.
