Props to the Military, CIA and, yes, to Obama

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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    no it doesnt. if a governemt that you do not trust can kill an innocent man, they can also have his citizenship revoked.


    wrong. you are just casting yourself as more discerning than i am, because that is the way you want to think of yourself. i am actually far more unwilling to trust, i am just smarter.

    i know, because you are not really paranoid, you are just kinda dumb and a little bit pretentious.
     
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  2. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    probably not.



    I know but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt since you ran off flabengal, who is awesome.


    its possible he assumed in the dark recesses of his mind that revoking US citizenship of terrorists is standard procedure. You know, like a suspended license after 200 unpaid tickets. A few plotted bombings should suspend your citizenship and you should at least be notified by mail.

    I never thought it was relevant to whether we should kill him or not. Id just like to know if I am on a most wanted terrorist list if I can still keep my citizenship.
     
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  3. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    Killing one man doesn't stop the threat. In-Fact killing him means we probably killed a few innocent people in the process. You think those innocent people's families/friends now give a fack about the US and want vengeance.

    We perpetuate the cycle of terrorism. Grab him, put him on trial, then execute. If we aren't better than them how can we expect them to respect us. By might? Yah that works.
     
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  4. mancha

    mancha Alabama morghulis

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    Apparently you can keep your citizenship but that is not what you have to worry about:

    Secret panel can put Americans on kill list' | Reuters
     
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  5. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    thanks. martin has a really hard time understanding the simplest of things. hes like that complex savant who cant tie his shoes.
     
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  6. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    resistance to terrorism causes terrorism. ron paul fiat currency blocwback
     
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  7. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i have been trying to tell these fools that the citizenship issue is not relevant, the government kills citizens and non-citizens without caring much.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Try to pay attention. I've already defended hitting Awlaki and made a case that he was no longer a citizen, therefore free game as an enemy combatant. What I objected to was your ridiculous notion that citizenship is not relevant. Of course it is.

    There is a slippery slope here that all presidents have avoided. Not every enemy is as clear as al Qaeda. There are foreign organizations that are not enemies and there are domestic organizations that are. There are serious gray areas, like our covert operatives posing as enemies that must be protected. Most obviously, government must be accountable for not abusing its powers by going after domestic enemies in similar fashion. This has happened many times in many countries and is one of the things our Constitution protects us against.

    Wise up dumbass, the object is not to killing terrorists, but to your unconstitutional notions that American citizenship doesn't matter in a government assassination.

    You are being contrary. Citizens have Constitutional rights. It's the law. Whatever martin imagines to be right doesn't apply. The law says that all citizens are due a trial and conviction before being jailed or executed. We agree that Awlakis actions forfeited his rights as a citizen.

    But you are saying is that citizenship doesn't matter and a president can simply order the death of a citizen. This shows an ignorance of the Constitution and the law.
     
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  9. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    it doesnt matter if we call the guy a citizen or not, he is dead just the same.

    we can say he was a citizen, and you can say he wasnt, doesnt matter. he is dead. we can kill citizens, and we dont even really need to bother with the claim that he wasnt a citizen anymore because of his actions. i didnt hear the governmetn making that claim, i only heard read making it.

    the only relevant thing is that we are at war. that means we kill citizens and non-citizens without regard for who they are. thats what obama is doing, clearly.
     
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  10. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    the opinion and case that red makes doesnt make him a non-citizen, he either is or he isnt, according to people not named red. and this would matter if it made a difference at all. perhaps the state dept would have made an effort and revoked his citizenship. why bother, why not just kill him instead, its a war.

    uou are kinda intentionally obtuse and kinda incredibly unwiling to think for yourself. you are one of the least independent thinkers i have ever come across.

    obama adminstration does not agree
     
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