Priorities, Priorities - the Cindy Sheehan situation

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by Mystikalilusion, Aug 10, 2005.

  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    1. Iraq invades Kuwait
    2. USA kicks them out
    3. Sanctions imposed on Iraq
    4. Saddam ignores sanctions
    5. 757s fly into WTC and Pentagon
    6. Bush vows to kill terorists and those who harbor them
    7. Saddam continues to ignore sanctions
    8. US roots out Taliban in Afghanistan
    9. Saddam continues to ignore sanctions
    10. US takes out Saddam.
     
  2. mesquite tiger

    mesquite tiger Diabolical Genius

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    for your argument, you must start at #5....what did Iraq have to do with 9/11/01? that is a simple question with a simple answer...nothing.

    if you want to go that far into it, why not talk about who the US funded during the Iran/Iraq war????????

    I respect you SabanFan, but you are reaching here.
     
  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I've explained this before. Saddam had been ignoring the sanctions and thumbing his nose at the US and UN for years. While he was being watched, everyone just let him slide since he wasn't considered to be an imminent threat to anyone but his own people. After 9/11, things changed. We weren't in the mood to fiddle f*ck around with these pissant despots anymore. Saddam was conceivably a threat now and, despite numerous warnings, he continued to refuse to comply with the 9 year old sanctions. So, we took his sorry ass out. If the 9/11 attacks had never occurred, Saddam would still be murdering innocents and ruling his cesspool of a country with an iron hand.

    It's extremely counter productive to continually take shots at the President while we are in this war. The country should rally behind him and show the troops that they are over there with our support. Unfortunately, politics won't allow such unilateral support. The Dems are still pissed about Gore and it's a crying shame.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I didn't say a thing about people dying in that post. I've been consistent in my views in this forum. Don't try to link me with everybody you disagree with.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Come on, G-man. It was a sarcastic remark. I mean, "infidel crudader armies" for heaven's sake. I was being cynical . . . or at least trying to be. No disrespect intended.

    I just think many of you understimate how nationalistic these insurgents are. The AL Qaida terrorists now operating there are simply murdering to create mahem. But many of the Iraqi insurgents are just fighting what they see as enemy occupiers. This particular problem will vanish when we are gone.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It's because we were talikng about the Iraqi insurgents attacking Americans. I differentiate them from the foreign Al Qaida terrorists who are just practicisng their usual terror tactics against civilians. Concerning Al Qaida tactics, I entirely agree with you.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I know that you understand that rational people can have very different opinions, amigo. It's kind of what FSA is all about, after all.

    I am looking at things from a different perspective, but I'm not blind. I've always been happy to support my thoughts with my reasoning. There can be no doubt that George Bush decisively kicked ass after 9/11. Whether or not he kicked the right ass is subject to much dispute.

    C'est la Guerre.
     
  8. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Which is exactly why I am in full support of the President. Ass needed to be kicked after 9/11. In retrospect, things, perhaps, could have been approached differently. But, hindsight is 20/20. You have to consider the mindset at the time. The Dems (now) say that we should have confirmed the existence of WMD, allow sanctions to work, Saddam was not a threat, etc., etc. but, the fact is that at the time they were gung ho to appease the American people by putting some skins on the wall. After things settled down, they started counting votes and realized that their only political chance was to take Bush down. It just wrong, man.
     
  9. Mystikalilusion

    Mystikalilusion Founding Member

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    Last time for those keeping score at home.

    Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. At all. Not even a little bit.

    Never were truer words spoken. . .
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I tend to agree. But I thought this had been accomplished with the sacking of the Taliban government in Afghanistan. This action gathered wide support from the left, right and middle. The Taliban actually were in league with and protected the Al-Qaida scum who attacked us on 9/11. That excellent response was a crushing blow to the jihadists and almost everybody agrees.

    I believe that at that point a much better assessment of our potential enemies should have been forthcoming. Osama should have been pursued into Pakistan if neccessary. And Saddam should have been known to be bluffing about nuclear weapons while at the same time Korea and Iran were not. A poor decision was made. But that's water under the bridge.

    Now the question is: Do we call our work finished and leave Iraq quickly or hang around for 50 years? Bad decisions must be recognized and solutions found. Defending bad decisions and fighting to the bitter end won't work in a guerrilla insugency where no one can win. This is the forgotten lesson of Vietnam.

    These ragheads ain't worth our lives and treasure. Why didn't they "insurge" against Saddam if they have such a yearning for freedom? Nothing they do makes sense and as long as we are there, we will be target number one. Sooner or later they have to take responsibility and sort this mess out by themselves. I'm for sooner. We have bigger fish to fry.
     

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