Priorities, Priorities - the Cindy Sheehan situation

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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i have a friend and i am always correcting his grammar and pronunciation. and recently i did it to his wife, and it she was really pissed. and i told her "hey relax, we are all working together to be correct". but she wasnt buying it. it is funny because i am an *******.
     
  2. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    red probably couldn't find it on google.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Who would want to be between martin and you?
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Have you ever heard of capital letters, chief? They teach it in the first grade.
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    aww crap i forgot to use caps. i think that was the first time. i usually remember.
     
  6. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    your bong and/or [e]nglish teacher.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I can find anything on Google.

    yourDictionary.com

    "The difference between "I" and "me" in English is the difference between the function of a Subject or Object in a sentence. The Subject of a sentence is what the sentence is about and for that reason is usually the first noun or noun phrase in the sentence. It usually occurs before the verb, "I like Fernando," and never after it, "Fernando likes I."

    "Me" is the Object form of "I," just as "him" is the Object form of "he." The Object form is used after the verb but also after prepositions: "Fernando likes me" or "Fernando likes working with him."

    As we saw above, we cannot use "I" and "me" randomly; we must observe its function in the sentence. This applies to all the personal pronouns.

    Coordinated noun constructions like "you and I" change nothing. It is equally incorrect to say "Me worked late" and "Maureen and me worked late." And it is equally incorrect to say "Fred looked at I" and "Fred looked at Maureen and I." So why do we say things like "Fred saw Maureen and I"?

    A common ungrammatical dialectal construct in U.S. English is "Me and Maureen ate all our kohlrabi." Grammarians who try to write rules for language rather than describe the ones that are already there, "prescriptive grammarians," found two problems with such constructions. First, the Subject contains an Object pronoun: "me." Second, the placement of "me" before the name of someone else was at one time considered impolite. Of course, politesse has nothing to do with grammar, that is, what is right or wrong in speech.

    The result is that prescriptive grammar books used in U.S. schools for years have taught children to avoid constructions like "me and X" in favor of "X and I," where "X" represents any other noun or pronoun referring to a human being. They seldom make clear that this rule applies only in the Subject position.
    The critical grammatical rule, that "I" appears only in the Subject while "me" must be used in all Object positions gets lost in the concern for etiquette.

    Young people in the U. S. have been so exposed to this oversimplified explanation of the "me-and-you" problem, that about 20 years ago U. S. English-speakers began switching "me and X" to "X and I" everywhere the phrase occurs—in Subject and Object positions. When actors and others on TV and radio began speaking with this error, it spread like wildfire."


    Editors have caught me on this before. My grade school teachers were very big on politeness. So it's not my fault, I'm a victim of Louisiana public school education. :grin:
     
  8. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    that's been apparent to anyone anticipating an original thought since your first post.
     
  9. martin

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    when i was a kid my mom would absolutely murder me over the "me and X" thing. not once could i slip any poor grammar past that woman. but i appreciate it now, because without her my grammar would be even more sloppy than it is. you gotta be vigilant with that ****. my mom was a grammar nazi before being a grammar nazi was cool. i appreciate being corrected, but i am definitely in the minority on that one.
     
  10. JSracing

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    actually you have a short memory, on a distant planet in a far away galaxy I gave you a green dot once! :shock:
    OMG say it aint so. :dis:





    yes you are right I am shaking here as i type this. its hard to even type.

    You are aware of how the rep points system is supposed to work right? you post something I think is assinine, I give you a red dot. You post something somewhat useful, ( unlikely ) I give you a green dot. it's kind of fun, although somewhat insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

    BTW: it's probably not a great idea to threaten someone you've never met.

    I could be a real tough guy like you or popeye or some ****

    dude you're really funny thanks for the comic break!

    hey man if you ever see a red racing trailer with .. yeah you guessed it... JSracing on the side of it at ANY game. please stop by. I've never seen a real E-Thug before. :hihi:

    sorry to hijack your gay thread. maybe you should start your own E-thug forum? :dis:
     

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