Priorities, Priorities - the Cindy Sheehan situation

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    This is not directed at anyone in particular, but I just have a problem with people who criticize and complain constantly when in fact they will or can not do a damn thing about it anyway. Maybe I'm off base here, but all I hear is whining. crying, bitching, complaining, etc and sometimes it just pisses me off. This extends to politics and athletics. I've never been one to complain unless it's in an area that I have some control over. I just deal the hand that's dealt. The venom toward the President of the US is absolutely unbelievable. Same goes for his cabinet. To even suggest that a person who has elevated himself to the highest office in the land, or to the head coaching position of a major university is stupid is to make a fool of one's self. I laugh at the arrogance of people who think they have all the answers when, in fact, they are the ignorant ones. My fondest wish would be to watch a head to head debate between the loudest complainers and the targets of their criticism. I'd better stop. I'm not getting any calmer.
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    sure, or you could quote the active generals who are actually managing the war as it happens, with all the information. i would suppose the active guys know far more about the situation than retired guys.

    yay for red!

    everyone is qualified to have "thoughts" and express them all they want. but i dont see why anyone should care about yours. military strategy is like chess don't you think? i dont go around telling grandmasters where to move their bishop. i have no clue if they are managing their troops the right way.

    i think i made it clear i meant specific decisions related to war and strategy. my example was the amount of troops necessary. i dont think either of is qualified to know how many troops we need doing what. if you never claimed to know things like that, thats fine, i dont remember if you did. but that is the kind of thing people pften act like they know better than the military.


    again, i am saying your opinion has no value, not that you are unqualified to posses an opinion.
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Seeing McDonalds and Wal-Mart in Saigon twenty years later makes Vietnam seem extremely pointless.
     
  4. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    I cannot speak for those who criticize our government, but my (and others', I'm sure) enmity towards John Brady is based entirely on evidence that can be clearly seen by anyone who chooses to attend basketball games in the PMAC.

    It is not easy for any of us to criticize gov't because we cannot see what happens inside the closed doors of the White House and on the streets of Iraq.
     
  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Go ahead and criticize. Just don't try to say (and I know you don't) that he "doesn't know the fundamentals of basketball" or some other nonsense.
     
  6. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    My criticism usually deals with incidents such as Tack Minor shouting matches, locker room "I hate you" incidents, recruiting prowess (or lack thereof) and attrition.

    You have to be a veritable psychologist to deal with 18-22 year old kids, half of whom think they are better than they actually are. Lots of people aren't cut out for it and it's plain by his track record that he simply isn't.
     
  7. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    martin, always so good with words. I love it. That's hilarious.

    Of course, I really doubt you truley think it. We are on free speech alley to debate opinions, if people's opinions didn't have any value you wouldn't be here.
     
  8. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    The fact that they are discussing their opinion is them doing something. It gets people talking. They can convince other fans to hate john brady or other people to hate George Bush & thus, vote someone else in or apply pressure to the LSU administration to find a new coach. They don't have to personally take action in order to do something about it. I hate hearing people b*tch when they are just complaining to complain, but there are plenty of times when there are valid reasons to complain.

    PS: That paragraph sounds like you were complaining... or was that you doing something about it?
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, the active generals who said more troops were needed were quickly "retired", including General Shenseki who was Chief of Staff at the time. The rest of the generals fell in to line and speak only what Rumsfeld wants to hear. The retired generals speak their minds freely.

    Care about what you want to. But what you stated was that I was unqualified to have an opinion about geopolitics.

    First of all, I was criticising Bush and Rumsfeld, not the military. Secondly I was echoing a widely held opinion that blunders were made, I didn't make anything up. Thirdly, Bush and Rumsfeld, like you and I, never were generals either.
    And finally you aren't shy about stating your beliefs about religion, though you are not a minister. You aren't shy about stating your opinions about the the role of government, even though you haven't been in government yourself. Your objections are invalid. You are just blathering and trying to get in the last post as usual.

    Nonsense. There have been tons of information regarding various assessments about troops strength published over the last three years and you know it. The administration maintains that 120,000 troops are sufficient to control Iraq, this is a fact. Anybody paying attention knows that Iraq is not under control, this is a fact. Military men who know more that you or I, including Wesley Clark and Shenseki have publically stated that 300,000 to 500,000 was the number needed, This is a fact.

    Now . . .knowing these facts any fool can make an assessment based on them and arrive at a conclusion. This I did and I'm completely "qualified" to do so. You may arrive at a different one, fine. We can debate it. But you can just forget about trying to inhibit me from speaking my mind just because you don't have a good response to my argument.

    Nowhere have I claimed to have inside information or to be an expert in military strategy. I just read the papers and do some thinking. Maybe you should too.

    Then why don't you just ignore my opinion? If it has no value, you are spending a lot of energy to try to supress it. :grin:
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I agree to a point (opinion). Mindless complaining gets tiresome (opinion). This is why I don't go around like a few saying "Bush sucks" or "Bush is an idiot" (fact). But Bush is a public figure and subject to political criticism (fact), you can't shield him from it (suggestion). I try to make my criticisms based on some facts or issues that support my case (fact), then I'm told by a few that I'm not qualified to criticize (explanation).

    I get a little angry when people read and post on a forum for political discussion (fact) and have the strange notion that certain public figures and certain subjects are off-limits (supposition).

    I know that you are a cranky old fart (humor) and I try not to annoy you personally (fact). You prefer to stick to a witty quip and rarely get involved in an argument very deeply (fact). I know you possess an excellent mind and your quips are the best on the board (opinion). But some of us get involved in the down-and-dirty of a serious political debate and throw around serious charges and expect serious challenges (fact). This is not the mindless complaining you speak of (suggestion).
     

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