President Reagan on Socialized healthcare

Sweet. pwned by your name-calling. That'll show me.

 

i asked you not to be a tool, i didnt call you anything, pay attention. and for the record, adults shouldnt use the word "pwned".

 

I shifted into interwebs teenager mode when you said I was acting like a tool. It was a Pavlovian response...

 

next time dont bore either of us by claiming i was apologizing when i wasnt. just address what i said directly, like an adult. we wont have to endure any useless back and forth like this.

my claim was that we do in fact know what socialism is, and that government administration of health care is a move towards socialism. that is what almost all of us have been saying all along. your accusation that we simply do not know what socialism is is incorrect.

who here exactly do you think doesnt know what socialism is, and why?

and how is the obama plan not "socialized" medicine?

if liberals want liberalism work they need to not be so scared of the labels that describe them. socialist policies simply means policies that involve government ownership and management of things. like i mentioned before, social security is clearly a socialistic policy, that is why it is called that. it is also terribly bad and expensive policy.

you dont hear conservatives accusing anyone of slandering them by calling them capitalists, do you? even though 99% of them dont really favor pure unfettered capitalism. liberals should stop being worried so much about labels and b proud they are are in favor of more socialism. i am in favor of way more capitalism, but you wont see me deny it.

or perhaps the label "socialist" has a such an overwhelmingly negative connotation because it is terrible for the government to manage most things?

 

I think LaSalleAve & MLU should have all legal rights of married folks, except the name of 'marriage'. Traditions and culture are a pillar of civilized society. Sorry boys.

 

For the record, Ronald Reagan wasn't that bad of a President. He wasn't the best of my lifetime, but he was far from the worst. We could do (and have done) worse as a country. I don't get why he gets such a pass for the Iran/Contra mess, but every President has their skeletons.

Traditions and culture, huh? I think that was the basis for the opposition of women's right to vote and black people using the same water fountain as the white people. I think some refer to it as the "good old days".

You're one step below outright name-calling and one step just about "yo mamma" jokes, which is where people find themselves when they're incapable of expressing themselves intellectually.

Now you're being disingenuous.

Socialism gets tossed around carelessly and is used as a buzzword in an attempt to connect it with a perceived negative. Republicans like to use the word "liberal" while Democrats prefer the word "progressive". Pro-life v. Pro-choice. Etc, etc, etc... Keep parroting whatever talking points you hear from your preferred talking head, biased blog, etc. I prefer to remain unencumbered by such partisan idiocy that only serves as a catalyst for intellectual entropy.

It's pure political fear-mongering and it's intellectually dishonest. You choose to use it and I'll treat you accordingly. You have some nerve to call me a tool...

 

some people happen to think more government is a negative thing. so of course the word has negative connotations today. is your argument gonna have anything to do with actual policy, or are you just going to babble?

how is a larger, more involved, more expensive, more intrusive health care plan not sliding the country slightly away from capitalism towards socialism?

congrats.

well, technically i asked you not to act like a tool, and didnt call you anything. take the chip off your shoulder and talk policy.

as far as the fear-mongering goes, it goes both ways. obama says we are gonna be screwed if we do nothing. obama says we have to spend a trillion for toxic assets to save the economy. obama says we need to bail out these massive companies because they are too big to fail. lets forget the partisan bickering and talk about whether these folks are right or wrong. obama says we need a massive carbon tax or the earth will be ruined.

and for the record i dont watch or listen to any talking heads or read any biased blogs, except for the huffington post, which i dont agree with at all. i read all of my news in online newpapers or on bbc america. i simply have principles, one of which is that i think people should be free to pursue their lives with the absolute minimum invasion from the government.

look, the fact is that the republicans (very few of which i really identify with politically) are effectively calling out this health care plan by calling it socialist. it is a smart tactic, and i hope they continue.

there are things the governemtn should manage (war, infrastructure, basic education), and health unsurance isnt one of them. if thomas jefferson were here right now he would hi five me for saying that.

 

Eh sabanfan, i never had any credibility anyway, so who cares. I think reagan did alot stop the progression of minorities in this country. Why is it, that when reagan became president, the punishment for crack cocaine was 4 times harsher than the punishment for powder cocaine? The only difference in the 2 are baking soda. Plus its well documented that the Reagan administration sold weapons to Iran, to fund the Contras, the CIA under Reagan also allowed the import of cocaine into the united states, which also funded the contras. Reagan was pretty damned crooked, and i don't think he should be put on a pedestal. He was a crappy actor too.

 

Had he legalized marijuana...he would be your all-time favorite. :hihi: