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Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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what you can imagine is not relevant.

sounds to me like they hugely overcharged with absurd nonsense and are getting basically nothing. guilty pleas with no jail and tiny fines
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Sounds more like she got a sweetheart deal in exchange for her testimony. This isn't rocket science, it is classic prosecution in a RICO case. You flip all the smaller fish to get the big one.

Tiger in NC, Oct 24, 2023

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because when the prosecutors are this corrupt you sometimes choose to save millions and millions and take the probation and go home
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you have no evidence whatsoever that Fani Willis or any other prosecutor is corrupt; it's just a story you have to tell yourself to make the alternative reality you live in make sense.

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I dunno nc, again, from the techno fog article I cited earlier:

This gets us to another important matter – accusations that Powell is now “cooperating” against Donald Trump.

Tim Pool, for example, said Powell would “blame Trump for everything.” Lawyer Elie Honig, perhaps the most obtuse legal commentator on cable news, on CNN called this a “big breakthrough for prosecutors” in their case against Trump. He further alleged:

“She’s going to have to admit that, ‘yes, we were trying to steal the election, yes, I knew it was illegal, and yes, it was in fact a crime,’” Honig said. “All of that is in play for her testimony against all of the 17 other co-defendants, including Donald Trump.”

We’re not buying it. Let’s break down why.

First, Honig (and many others) are claiming – wrongfully – that Powell no choice but to implicate Trump in the RICO conspiracy.

These predictions defy the fact that Powell did not plead guilty to the principal charge against Trump: the RICO conspiracy. She did not admit that she was part of a criminal enterprise with Trump, et al. to “unlawfully” change the results of the 2020 election. She did not admit that she conspired to violate Georgia’s RICO statute with Trump or anyone else.

Instead, her plea deal is narrow and only relates to conduct that occurred in Coffee County, Georgia, where contractors accessed voting machines with the permission of local officials. Let us add a few words about those charges: Coffee County officials gave a written invitation for contractors from technical group SullivanStrickler to access their voting machines. Powell didn’t authorize those actions; she approved payment to SullivanStrickler after the fact. Of course, Fulton County maintains that local officials had no authority to grant access to voting machines, therefore making all of their actions illegal. (Authority would have been an issue at Powell’s trial.) In any event, Fulton County has no evidence that Powell or anyone from SullivanStrickler knew that Coffee County officials didn’t have this authority.

But Fulton County isn’t accusing Trump of directing, being involved with, or even knowing about what occurred in Coffee County. Thus, Powell’s plea to the Coffee County charges does not, and will not, directly implicate Trump.

Second, there are claims that Powell might have other information that will hurt Trump. Nobody has offered specifics; even The New York Times admitted “it remains unclear what Ms. Powell might say about Mr. Trump if called upon to testify against him.”

One topic might be the December 18, 2020 meeting at the White House with President Trump, General Flynn, Sidney Powell, Emily Newman, and Patrick Byrne. Yet it’s unlikely that Powell will offer anything new about that meeting. It was the subject of numerous depositions in the House Select Committee to Investigate January 6. Powell was deposed on that issue. So too was Byrne. Ideas were floated during that perfectly legal meeting – none of them being criminal – including Powell’s proposal that Trump secure voting machines and

“have them inspected by a professional, nonpartisan, bipartisan group of experts in a transparent fashion to obtain whatever evidence was on those machines to resolve the issue hopefully, you know, finally put the whole thing to bed, whichever way it came out.”

Relating to the point of what Powell might know, or what she might testify about, recall that she was actually disavowed by Trump’s legal team (Jenna Ellis and Rudy Giuliani) in late November 2020. Powell filed cases in Michigan and elsewhere, while Team Trump pursued their own legal strategies. There was no meeting of the minds between the two camps. As far as litigation strategy goes, Powell was excluded from what Trump’s legal team was doing. The indictment doesn’t suggest that Powell had such extensive contact with Trump that she could testify to his election certification efforts on January 6 or his state of mind concerning the 2020 election. Thus, we’re doubtful she has anything of value to offer Fulton County prosecutors against Trump.

Finally, the nature of the RICO conspiracy charge against Trump doesn’t require Powell’s cooperation.

To explain, the RICO conspiracy charge requires: (1) a conspiracy to violate Georgia’s RICO statute; and (2) any member of the enterprise to commit “any overt act to effect the object of the conspiracy.” Ga. Code Ann. § 16-14-4.

The State’s theory of the case is that Trump, et al. conspired to unlawfully change the results of the 2020 election. Thus, to prove the conspiracy, they just need one overt act from any member of the enterprise (this could be from any of the 19 defendants or the numerous unindicted co-conspirators).

Now take a look at the indictment. It alleges 161 overt acts that were done to further the object of the conspiracy (the purported “unlawful” effort to change the results of the 2020 election), from Trump’s tweets to various legal memos from Trump’s lawyers (and other lawyers) interpreting the Electoral College Act or how Vice President Pence should proceed with the certification on January 6, 2021 to Trump’s calls with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

Even if Powell were out of the case, even if she were deleted from the indictment and swiped clean prosecutors’ memory, they would still have 150+ overt acts which they say effected the alleged conspiracy. And under Georgia law, they only need to show one overt act to support the RICO conspiracy charge.

Our point is that Powell isn’t an essential witness to prove the State’s case against Trump. What she pleaded to – the Coffee County charges – has nothing to do with Trump. Speculation that she will cooperate against Trump, or somehow implicate Trump in the RICO conspiracy, isn’t supported by the facts. After all, she didn’t plead guilty to being part of a RICO conspiracy
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Testifying against other co-defendants is indeed part of her plea deal as well as providing any material evidence she may possess relating to any of her co-defendants.

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you have no evidence whatsoever that Fani Willis or any other prosecutor is corrupt; it's just a story you have to tell yourself to make the alternative reality you live in make sense.
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she campaigned on indicting trump on whatever she could find. that is hugely inappropriate. its not a conspiracy theory that she is out to get him however she can, its her words. now she boasts on social media how she is totally gonna get him. this is wildly hugely inappropriate behavior. meanwhile they are gag ordering trump while willis taunts him on social media.

Jack Smith is terrible and was a shit brain with the ICC which they taught me at LSU is utter horseshit. also 100% of the supreme court reversed his most prominent case and said it was a shambolic pile of butthole.

as far as the Manhattan case about paying a whore? cmon man. even you have to admit that how you fund whore payouts you fucked 15 years ago is not a real issue

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Tiger in NC said: ↑

Sounds more like she got a sweetheart deal in exchange for her testimony. This isn't rocket science, it is classic prosecution in a RICO case. You flip all the smaller fish to get the big one.
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walls are closing in, insiders are turning against him

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This just in: Mark Meadows, who was the go-between for everything happening on January 6, has been granted immunity from prosecution by Jack Smith. This is a BFD because Meadows clearly deserves to be in prison, and it's doubtful that Smith would just let him walk without a lot of testimony in return.

Will trump now insist that Meadows was never his Chief of Staff?

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This is IT Rexie, this time you've got him for sure! No way he gets out of this one

Right...

RIGHT!...

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Rex said: ↑

This just in: Mark Meadows, who was the go-between for everything happening on January 6, has been granted immunity from prosecution by Jack Smith. This is a BFD because Meadows clearly deserves to be in prison, and it's doubtful that Smith would just let him walk without a lot of testimony in return.

Will trump now insist that Meadows was never his Chief of Staff?
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its not just that the walls are closing in. this time the insiders are turning against trump

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Rex said: ↑

This just in: Mark Meadows, who was the go-between for everything happening on January 6, has been granted immunity from prosecution by Jack Smith. This is a BFD because Meadows clearly deserves to be in prison, and it's doubtful that Smith would just let him walk without a lot of testimony in return.

Will trump now insist that Meadows was never his Chief of Staff?
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…. you really should check other sources besides msnbc…

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Tiger in NC said: ↑

guess we'll find out soon enough so let's earmark this conversation. I think the judge's order is narrow in scope and will be upheld
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I will maintain that it is unconstitutional regardless of the court outcome. many things are clearly unconstitutional but continue. for example the state favoring black or women owned businesses for contracts, or certain states overreaching gun control.

joe Biden announcing that he was restricting his supreme court pick to a black woman was unconstitutional sa well, but this stuff is routinely allowed.

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