Boehner's last stand will end up like Custer's. I turn the channel whenever I see Obama on but I can't argue his hard line approach on this. It would be the same if the tables were turned. Republicans would be up in arms. This won't end Obamacare....if we still have a chance it will be through legislative means not hijacking and ransom....but last resorts usually end up like hijacking and ransom....
I have to come to Mobius' defense here because he has been an outspoken critic of the ACA from it's inception. Next, quit pretending you are some kind of moderate. Third, the American people DO want Obama care; we've voted for it twice now. Lastly, and mostly, Mobius is 100% correct when he says that if the Republicans want to get rid of Obama care or revise it into something closer to their platform (whatever that is....) then by all means give us an alternative, sell it to us and let us vote again....maybe their ideas will win. This is what an opposition party does....not shut down the government.
Let it shut down. It's only %18 anyway. Maybe they will find jobs not on the govt tit. Give it a month and I won't have to worry about rangers in the Rez or in the national Forest. Just don't "start" it back up and give Those that have been furloughed back pay. What good is a shut down if all it is is a paid holiday. Maybe than can agree on a 1 year Barry care delay instead of no funding at all.
It's no holiday when you get screwed out of your paycheck and you have a family to support and an awful lot of federal employees and an awful lot more private employees whose lively hood depends on government entities will remember who caused this and that it was for nothing at all except political stagecraft. Restaurants and hotels near national parks, government contractors, businesses in Washington, people applying for small business loans, people waiting on IRA refunds, . . . lots of people will be affected. You're dreaming, as usual.
The federal lands belong to the people anyway. So the shutdown shouldn't affect the national parks anyway. Private enterprise can do as good, if not better, job anyway. Govt is to big. Besides. Obamas recovery is creating a 100,000 plus jobs a month. Not to mention all those "shovel ready" jobs he bragged about. The people affected by the shutdown can apply for those. The house did offer a 1 year Obama care implementation delay with the funding bill. The senate said no.
Of course they did. A delay makes no sense at all. It just brings us back around to more of this bullshit. The debt ceiling is not about Obamacare! It's about America paying its bills. The GOP is being very stupid about this and either Cruz or Boehner or both are going to be politically scarred by it.
I think they should fund it. On the condition that all waivers and exemptions are dropped. That includes Congressional waivers. If the American people have to sign up then their political pointers and families should have to comply also. Pretty damn fucked up that they can deny the funding for USDA and other "nonessential" personnel but can afford to give PBS $445 million.
They will remember who caused it, but filtered through thier particular parties lenses. I am sure you and NC will place this shutdown squrely on the Republicans. What we all need to realize is the failure is shared equally by these two parties. Both failed, and neither has a real solution to the problems this nation faces.
the blame for this shutdown belongs squarely on the shoulders of a faction of the Republican party. I don't want to say the entire party because there are Republicans who understand the gravity of this situation better than others not saying the Dems are blameless in everything or that they have the correct solution for every challenge we face as a nation and I would concur that some bi-partisanship could go a long way. but that's a two way street. Obama has now run for office successfully twice while championing healthcare reform. Just last year, Romney ran 180 degrees from Obamacare and still lost by 6% (fairly sizable by Presidential election terms). Conservatives love to tout the polls that say that over 50% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare, but what they fail to mention is that the internal questions show that about 20% of those are very liberal Democrats who want a single payer system. So essentially you are asking 65% of the country to bend to the will of 35% just because they happen to disagree. No. That is not how democracy works and these guys need to quit acting like school yard punks and start legislating. One more time: GIVE ME AN OPTION! If Obamacare is so bad, give me a different option to vote for. But offer me nothing, just a repeal so they can make sure Obama's legacy is tarnished, piss off.
that old argument about "the private sector can do it better" is a falsehood. in states all over the country, the mental health system and prison systems have been taken over by the private sector and the result has been over $40 billion in medicare fraud per year in NC. a private prison system that is now the leading challenger to marijuana laws because it would mean 1/3 of their populations would go free, who lobbies congress constantly for stricter laws on everything from pot to tax evasion in order to fill their rooms. Worse, the private prison systems are costing us billions more than the public system. We spend the same amount on the services but now our tax dollars also have to line some guys pockets because he has a friend in government and landed a contract to own a private prison. Don't tell me the private sector does it better because you don't have the facts to back it up.
