I didn't see that senate or president do anything but say we won't all or none. http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/28/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html?c=&page=7
you don't really NOT believe that do you, Mobius481? The Republicans voted down the house CR after Harry Reid added Obamacare back into the CR via an amendment after establishment Republicans caved on closure. The House did vote on a clean CR that did not contain Obamacare and the Democrats rejected it cause they are unwilling to compromise.
@monarch flutterby I'm talking about believing that this shutdown is in any way the democrats fault. This is 100% the republican's fault. It's very cut and dry. I suspect you, like many others on here, have let too much of that foxnews and tea part BS go into your brain. Tying obamacare to the budget is ridiculous. Republican's lost the battle on the ACA. if you don't like it, you propose legislation to change it. You don't hold the nation hostage. And this is coming from a guy who was told this week that my insurance premium is going from 535/month to 1080/month. I hate the ACA and the manner in which we were lied to and it was passed. But let it fail on its own merits or, god forbid, maybe it works with some tweaks and we're all better off. You know it's funny, if the democrats had done this with the tax cuts in 2001 or some other pet legislation of republicans you all would be on the other side of the fence. Get your head out of your ass and think for yourself rather than how someone has told you to think.
The house republicans need to get a Seventh Grade Civics book and read about their 12 (I think) appropriations. Forget the Continuing Resolution crap.then send over to the Senate 11 Appropriations bills. As normal the fools in Congress are so used to breaking rules ......forget it!
@Mobius, you don't really believe that do you? First off, maybe YOU are the one watching too much headline or MSNBC news and need to get your head out of your ass and think for yourself. Haha. Kettle...meet pot? As much as I despise BOTH democratic and republican parties, and as much as I HATE all politicians, you have to be a moron NOT so see that the Dems are behind this shutdown! The house holds the purse strings and they DO not have to FUND Obamacare IF there is not enough money left over after funding all of the other agencies, bills, etc. Sure it may be political, but both sides want what GETS THEM THE VOTES. Republicans - no obamacare. Democrats - obamacare. they are both equally divided - so maybe the blame falls down to an equal 50% - BUT no way in hell is it 100% the Republican parties fault alone. The majority of the American people DO NOT want O-care (INCLUDING you) - tell me why you are you sucking it up so easily? I don't have the money for my premiums to go up and I don't have the money to pay any fines. I guess they will just have to cart my ass to jail. I can tell you now, O-care will fail, and in the meantime you are going to have a country more divided and PISSED the F off than you have ever seen. It is a fustercluck and its people like you - that just lie down and take it up the butt - lets just see what happens attitude that gets us in bad situations to begin with - for goodness sakes, Doctors, nurses, economist are all saying this is a trainwreck waiting to happen...>BUT OH!!! lets just give it a chance & see what happens - will just raise the debt ceiling and give more people food stamps because now their premiums are taking their grocery money...really, you can't see that !!
You really should read previous posts from me. Thank you for proving my point. Glad you agree. Because it is a law that was passed. If everyone is so against it, why can't we simply introduce legislation and get it passed? Because we don't have the votes. We lost, move on or gtfo. You're an idiot. I'm very much in favor of changing it. This just isn't the way to do it.
Nobody is fooled. The only issue here is the debt ceiling. The Republicans are trying to hold the nation hostage to get something they want that they don't have the votes to get passed. They have failed in over 40 attempts. Boehner is either a goddamn fool for allowing the rookie Tea Party members to run the ship he's supposed to be captain of . . . or he's a genius for letting them hang themselves so that the traditional republicans can get control of the party back before the next elections.
You don't understand how the Congress works at all, do you? The American people voted through their representatives and the ACA passed into law. They elected Obama TWICE when he ran on a platform of Health Care reform. Are you blind or just wearing blinders?
Am going with the former, but from what I understand, a majority of Americans are against ACA. I know of only one person whose premiums were lowered, and that by less than $10/month. Of course I don't know any low life's, those to benefit THE MOST from max subsidies. So....why the insistence, in the face of little or no public support? For the common good, or alternatively, politics. It is easy, though somewhat shallow, to blame solely the GOP. ACA, the CRA and the debt ceiling are just symptoms of the utter failure of a) the democratic process and b) the absolute, utter failure of all three branches of our government...though the courts get a pass on this latest fiasco!
I don't think anyone is against health care reform. Unfortunately, your "high road" position is pretty much undermined by the big business, union, and govt exemptions. As you KNOW, not one person voted for those exclusions. I am sure you and I agree conceptually. The difference is I spent 8 years in and around Capitol Hill on the Intel Budget. Them I worked seven years in Health Care Administration. I can't quantify my contempt for those two institutions.
