Possible heath care solutions

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  1. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    Nothing. Take care of yourself and pay for your risk if you want.
     
  2. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    I agree with the everything but would take the high deductible a step further. I think we should do away with all co-pays. Every plan should be high deductible. It will make you think twice about going to the doctor. And if you don't contribute to your HSA and can't make a payment, sorry, you know where the door is. The problem is that no one takes ownership in their own health. Lots of people get a runny nose and run to the doc who wants to keep them so he prescribes an antibiotic when he knows they have a virus so they'll keep coming back. It doesn't help the patient and actually hurts them in the long run, but it makes them come back and docs can make more money. Now I don't have a problem with docs making money, in fact, I want them to make a lot of money, but not because they are doing the wrong things with patients.

    Nurse Practitioners need to be used more. They are just as capable as GP's but are much cheaper. This needs to be central to a new plan. Why pay twice as much for the same service?
     
  3. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    Tort reform may not be a "total" solution to the problem but will be a meaningful component of the totality of the changes.

    If tort reform accomplishes nothing...then why is there such great opposition from one party each time someone mentions the term? If someone (individual, group, party) wasn't trying to protect something, they would've agreed to tort reform many years ago.

    Just food for thought...
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Both parties are trying to protect something. Republicans want to shield businesses, especially large corporations, from having to pay compensation to consumers, patients and clients for damages incurred from fraud, negligence, or medical malpractice.

    Democrats want to shield consumers from dangerous, fraudulent, or incompetent products and services and encourage corporations to produce safer products, discourage them from selling dangerous products and encourage more safe and effective medical practices.

    Both sides need to find some common ground and a balance point between what is best for producers and what is best for consumers.
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    let me rephrase what you said.

    "republicans are bad, but democrats work for the people. i am a liberal. also we need a balance, but i have no specifics."

    honestly i dunno why you bother repeating your vague call for balance over and over. we have told you a thousand times that every prerson on earth thinks they favor balance, the key is where they happen to think the balance point is. yours is very liberal.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    That's NOT WHAT I SAID. Typical martin. You have no logical argument, so you try to mischaracterize what other people say. Your arguments are pathetic and unsubstantiated, so all you do is ridicule those who have some ideas. Your act is very old, very lame and very tiresome.

    Because I can. If you don't like it, then go find another thread.

    You only speak for yourself, chief.

    If you have a point, then make it. If all you can do is mock and jeer, then go stick it in your ear.
     
  7. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    ok, i do have a point. i am for balance. dont forget, i am for balance. we need balance.

    point made.
     
  8. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    At least we're starting to debate...look for common ground...consider alternatives...project...consider long-term costs...consider concessions...etc.

    None of this would've happened had the people now stood up and questioned authority.

    Some may call that..."un-American" but I'm proud to call those people "true Americans"! :usaflagwa
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Excellent. You are coming around.

    Now, We have established that there exists a balance point.

    So it is a small step for you to consider that . . . the balance point never lies at either extreme. It almost never lies at dead center either. Depending on many weighting factors, the balance point can be close to the ends at times. But, on the average, the balance point is found somewhere in a wide band around the center.

    Become one with this philosophy, Grasshoppa.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Indeed. A pragmatic moderate viewpoint rather than either extreme ideological position. You are also coming around.
     

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