Pledge of Allegiance, Rd. 2

for one i feel like that if the founding fathers do not agree with me, on the extent of separation from state, then they are the wrong ones, and i know better than they do. also i suspet that if they lived today they would take a more enlightened attitude towards science because we are so much more advanced now. we are not all that more advanced in the field of political theory, so they are at no real disadvantage there. but relative to us modern peeps, they were really handicapped with the sorry state of understanding of the world back then.

tirk you really do not know what you are talking about with this. there are rational concepts of individual freedom and rights that exist totally independent of any ten commandments. you must be quoting something or playing stupid devils advocate here. the idea that the ethics of jesus evolved into the bill of rights etc is really insane.

 

I bet you say abortion isnt murder too. And Gays and lesbians should run the country and stick their sexual preferences in your face.

" In God We Trust " Is on the money you spend. Might as well declare our money unconstitutional too.

The framers of our constitution just wanted our people to have the right to choose and be free from being told who to worship. By stating that our nation is Under God it is not telling you how to worship.

 

Am I the only one that find it funny that because some people think gays should have equal rights, this moron thinks people want them running the country & sticking their sexual preferences in our face?!

 

actually I am correct and know exactly what I speak of. I will educate you more on the subject later.

 

They do have equal rights under the law you jackass. The law states that Marriage is between a man and a woman.

Until you change the law they have equal rights.

And while we are on the subject.

The " Declaration of Independence " uses the words " Natures God " in its first paragraph. So these people that recognized the need for separation of church and state for political reasons also understood the basic rights of the creator whoever you assume that to be.

If it is good enough for the founders of this country then by God it is good enough for our pledge of allegiance.


I am not opposed to a civil union if the law is changed . But i will always be opposed to this sacrilidge being called a marriage.

Equal rights. Dont you mean special rights .

CPARSO Not a moron just someone with a different view. Why is it the weak minded always revert to calling names.

 

i do not think you are stupid enough to believe any of that. you have not tricked me with this pointless devils advocate.

 

You have the option of adhering to the argument at hand. If you'd rather make up what you think I think about other subjects, go ahead.

If you believe this, then you must also believe that I am claiming the Pledge, in and of itself, is unconstitutional. Re-read the thread and then let's discuss.

What it does do is proclaims that this entire nation worships God, and that it is imperative for our unity. Go read a little about McCarthyism. That era was is one of the most deplorable and embarassing of our nations history.

 

They don't have the right to marry someone they love, another human being capable of consenting...

Again, here is the problem - not all people believe in a creator or a God, thus this argument about "it doesn't have to be specific" is invalid.

I agree with you on civil union, because I don't think the government should have anything to do with marriage. Marriage is something done by the church & if they don't want to marry gays then I have no problem with it.

No, I don't mean special rights at all. I somewhat understand people who reason that's what "liberal's" want, but atleast as far as my opinion is concerned, it's unfounded.

I was hardly calling you a name, mostly just picking. The weak minded don't just revert to calling names, but abandon their argument & rely instead on attacking the other person. That's not what I did at all.