Piece of **** muslim convert kills young soldier and wounds another

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  1. Bandit88

    Bandit88 Old Enough to Know Better

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    Liberal/socialist philosophy will fix that kind of parenting... :grin:
     
    Bandit88, Jun 11, 2009
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  2. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    do you not think brainwashing is possible or do you not think it excuses illegal acts?
     
    gumborue, Jun 11, 2009
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  3. KyleK

    KyleK Who, me? Staff Member

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    What do you think? Are you trying to understand what could have made him the monster that he is so you can fix him? If you figure it out, maybe we can use it on all the terrorists and we can all live happily ever after.:insane:

    As for me, I don't care if he is brainwashed or not. It's still illegal. He shot those people.
     
    KyleK, Jun 11, 2009
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  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No it doesn't, damn it. How many times do I have to explain it? Wise up!

    1. The cease fire was a UN resolution, we can't forget it. It was a UN-sponsored coalition war, not a US war.

    2. Cease fires do not mean that if some one fires that the war resumes. What nonsense! That's what a temporary truce is. A cease fire agreement at the end of a war is to stop the shooting so that a surrender can be concluded and post-war operations can be conducted in safety.

    You don't know what you are talking about and you obviously did not read the resolutions. The coalition was a UN-sponsored force that we were a part of.

    I'm not. I'm steadily and logically destroying your argument, because you never bother to check the facts.
     
    red55, Jun 11, 2009
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  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Typical non-response.
     
    red55, Jun 11, 2009
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  6. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    it was a US war that the US convinced the UN to join. you need to understand what the UN is. it is a puppet. sometimes you get it to do your dance, other times you cant. the US makes its own decisions, chief. try to wrap your head around that. the US is a sovereign nation and does whatever it wants. the UN may come along for the ride or not. the iraq war was a US war. thats why it was the US calling the shots on when to start it and how to run it, not a UN military officer with a blue helmet or whoever.

    you need to to understand what the UN is. it is nothing. it a way for countries to try manipulate each other. if you dont have to listen, you shouldnt.

    ok pay attention, little fella. a cease fire is conditional. that means there are these conditions that must be met in order for the war to stop. do you understand that, guy? that means that is the conditions are not met, the "surrender" is no longer valid? see how that works, amigo?

    yes, sure it was. you keep thinking that. i bet belgian and czech officers in UN blue helmets were in there telling shwarzkopf how to run the 1991 UN war.

    i cant help it if you simply do not understand the nature of the UN. perhaps you should take a course on it.
     
    martin, Jun 11, 2009
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  7. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    It is embarrassingly typical of liberals to put a lot of faith in a body that has been largely ineffective at doing much of anything besides posturing, begging, and pleading.
     
    LSUDeek, Jun 11, 2009
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  8. gotboost?

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    Brainwashing is very possible ... Hell, I believe the military does somewhat. That does not excuse killing innocent people, especially people who sign up to give their lives in fighting for freedom only to be shot in a parking lot by some idiot with a gun who claims he is brainwashed. There are alot of things I would like to say about idiots but I try to stay reserved. Killing innocent military gets me riled up, b/c hell it could be me tommorow. People take soldiers giving their lives in Iraq for granted, if the war/conflict or whatever the hell you want to call it was in our backyard, dont you think people would be singing a different tune?
     
    gotboost?, Jun 11, 2009
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  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You don't like the UN and I don't like it particularly well either. But the FACT of the Gulf War Coalition is that it was a UN-approved coalition of we would not have had allies like we had in that war. George Bush #I used the UN to craft that coalition, so it was definitely NOT as US war that we could do exactly as we pleased. We got everything that we wanted out of it, but we played it by UN rules. That is the FACT, whether you like the UN or not, GHW Bush played it that way.

    I the movie in your mind it works that way. But the actual document that you referenced as Saddam having violated spells out no such conditions. That is the FACT. I already posted it to make it easy for you to read--you should read it before making assumptions. The war was openly proclaimed to liberate Kuwait, not invade Iraq. It succeeded and Kuwait was freed. If we were to return to the war we would have to liberate Kuwait again, which is absurd.

    Another martin confusion of the facts. There were no UN "Peacekeepers" in the Gulf War. But it was a UN-authorized WAR and it gave us the international legitimacy to get 30 countries to throw in with us.

    My friend, it is you that is trying to rewrite history here. You made a claim that the US invaded Iraq to satisfy our "commitment" to a UN agreement that you now say is irrelevant because the UN is "nothing". You are arguing in circles and have no logical basis for your statements, nor any supporting evidence at all. I have provided both.
     
    red55, Jun 12, 2009
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  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    So, you think that George HW Bush was a liberal for organizing a UN-approved coalition to fight the Gulf War? :insane:
     
    red55, Jun 12, 2009
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