Piece of **** muslim convert kills young soldier and wounds another

BS, not everyone agreed that a laughable "snub" was worth a war on behalf of the UN, who by-the-way, did not authorize or join us in war.

Yes, most people wholeheartedly supported the effort in Afghanistan, where AL Qaida lived and was protected by the Taliban. That was going after the people who hit us on 9/11. But when they melted away into Bora Bora and later to Pakistan, Bush lost focus and let them hide for years.

The Invasion of Iraq was NOT wholeheartedly supported. The notion that we had to invade Iraq because Saddam was flaunting UN regulations is rewriting history. The Republicans never cared one flip about the UN. They had always wanted an excuse to take down Iraq and "bring democracy to the arab world".

Obama was against it, he made a speech about it. I was against Iraq from the beginning, go read my old posts. Everything that I predicted would fail failed. The generals were against the Iraq invasion, but they were ignored by the Bush administration. Lot's of people were against it. And the ones that believed in the Bush/Cheney insistence that Saddam possessed WMD's and was allied with bin Ladin, both of which were proven false.

Saddam was a failed third-world dictator who was completely stymied by 10 years of UNSCOM destruction of his WMD's, an economy in shambles, sanctions in place, and 10 years of no-fly zones with American aircraft occasionally blowing things up. He was a threat to no one and it was just a matter of time before he was done.

We lost focus on Al Qaida for 6 years and wasted a Trillion dollars and suffered 30,000 US casualties while Al Qaida and the Taliban rebuilt themselves in Pakistan and now they threaten to take down the friendly Afghan government and perhaps Pakistan, too.

Why do you keep trying to justify an obviously failed Irag policy, a badly mismanaged war, and an endless, expensive occupation of a country of people that hate us.

 

What "cease fire" was ignored? When did Iraq fire on us?

It is when it is used as an excuse, obviously.

SabanFan is a realist and so am I, but he's got his facts wrong. Wars will indeed be necessary at times and sometimes wars will be unnecessary, too. If there was ever a misbegotten excuse for an unneeded war it was Iraq.

 

Oh, because you're too lazy to search for them, so I have to STFU? Not bloody likely.

I don't mind doing the work, but then you can STFU! I never objected to taking down Taliban Afghanistan, they were in on 9/11. But Iraq was a distraction and a waste from day one with me. I didn't start posting in FSA until November 2003. Here are a few of my earliest comments and predictions concerning Iraq.

12/14/2003

2/3/2004

3/30/2004

3/31/2004

4/1/2004

4/7/04

4/10/2004

5/12/2004

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Well, George, in those ten years economic sanctions crippled Iraq's economy, UNSCOM inspectors on the ground destroyed tons of chemical weapons, US aircraft patrolled over the country day and night--occasionally shooting up Saddam's air defense system, Iraq was hit with air and missile strikes twice as punishment for defiance. His army was in shambles, his air force was sitting on runways in Iran, and all he had left was bluster. So he bragged about nukes to scare us. Our own experts testified that Iraq had no WMD's and no nuclear program. But you bought it anyway, George. I'd like to sell you some resort waterfront property in Plaquemines Parish, though.

You pump up an already-beaten third world dictator living in a world of chit into an menace? He posed no threat to the US in any fashion, he wasn't even a threat to Kuwait. He had nothing to do with terrorism or Al Qaida. The stupid fugger tried to fight a stand-up war with a Superpower and got himself humiliated. Then he got humiliated for ten more years of UN sanctions. He had nuthin'.