Picking a Candidate Based on Your View of the ISSUES

Why? what would change here if we just ended it tomorrow? other that we would save a ton of money?

Yeah I really see the frances of the world sending a fleet to destroy us.

I see this differently. They need us to stimulate their economy. But in the same way I do think if one of the true beneficial countries were in serius trouble we should help.

Depends on where the money comes from and how the program was set up. If i had to guess I would say around 50% of tax dollars are wasted. If they simply rerouted that money it would cost us no more that we are paying now. I do not know if this could ever work. Again, not my job to figure it out.

 

We have a moral/social obligation to knock screw them over. I agree that we need to leave, but not before making sure they have a stable government.

It's easy to feel that way because we have the best military in the world. If we stop spending money on it then we won't.

Us stimulating their economy helps our economy. So you don't have any sort of social conscious on when we should get involved with international politics? It's a purely economic decision. If they buy more American products than we'd spend to help them, then they deserve help. Otherwise, screw 'em...

There is no "depends on where the money comes from". It comes from taxes. There is no where else for it to come from.

I'm sure it's more than 50%, but that doesn't matter. That wasteful spending will continue & we'll just add another thing on top of it with "free" health care.

It is your job to figure it out if you'd like to be an informed voter. There isn't a universal health care program out there which doesn't cost the economy much, much more than our current program of buying it ourselves.

 

We just disagree morally here. If me and another guy get in a fight, and I break his nose, i'm not paying the doctor bills. And I'm not gonna stick around to make sure he doesn't bleed to death. Especially if he is telling me to leave him alone. That's all I'm saying.

Can't really disagree here. But this falls into if I pay taxes they directly benefit me thing.

We almost agree fully here, only thing is I do not think us buying over priced oil from otherwise useless countries benefits our economy.

Thats just it, if they fix the spending, the money is already there. I have probably spent somewhere around $1500 a month on health care for the last 7 years. I can't see any way shape or form the program could come close to costing me that much. However I will not pretend to know the details, or even to have an idea on how to make it work.

 

:hihi: That's not my stance. It was supposed to be imitating your stance to show that is a bit ridiculous.

In a universal health care system, you'll be paying for you & your family (like you currently do), plus the people who can't afford insurance, plus a surge in health care needs (due to there not being a reason to not receive health care anymore).

 

Oops. misunderstood your post then. Sorry you feel my stance is ridiculous. I think it will have to be just ok for us to disagree here. No biggie.

I understand the general concept. What I think you are missing is my point of how it will work for me to want it. Even if a new tax has to be added to make it work, it will not cost me what I am already paying. If it costs me more, of course I would be against it. But I think if they could figure out a way to reroute monies they are already collecting, but wasting, it could work wonderfully. However I have doubts that that could actually happen.

 

This re-routing of taxes... why not just stop the unnecessary spending/taxing & leave health care alone? Then we avoid the situation completely.

The government is inefficient. It is just a fact that anything they put their hands on will not run as well as the free market can do it.

 

I use to believe this, but I'm not sure this is a winnable war. There will always be fundamentalism, and I'm sure it is quite easy in the middle east, particularly Iraq, to make a strong case against the US. If we executed the war perfectly, fundamentalists could still spin things to get people whipped up into a fervor. We are far from perfect execution.

If you listen to Ron Paul, he was right before the war. Not paying attention to what the guy says is foolish because he practically predicted how this conflagration in Iraq would turn out. People were scoffing at him then and he was right.

I really believe coming home is probably the right decision. Staying to try to make things right may feel like the right thing to do, but it is costing us soldier's lives, our economic stability, and respect in the world. And really, how much worse could Iraq get? How many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died under our watch? It might be wholly possible that our attempt to help in Iraq is now futile. It is possible that we are doing the Iraqi people no good at all by being there.

 

Okay 99% of the time. :lol:

We still have bridges that were knocked out from Katrina that have not been rebuilt. I kid you not that two identical bridges fifty yards away that a shipbuilding company uses to get into their dock was rebuilt in four days!

 

I'm not sure that I agree with that comparison, but I understand your point. They want us gone, as I'm sure all Americans would like to see as well. But you are kidding yourself if you think that they'd be especially happy if we packed up & left without helping them at all.

I don't understand this. Is there something I don't know about us buying oil to support some country's economy?