People will need to consider turning vegetarian if the world is to conquer climate change

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    So:

    What are the answers to these? That's all I want to know. None of the gobbledygook tells me that. If the mean sea level temp rises .03 degrees over a millenium tells me nothing. What's happened since the Big Bang is irrelevant to me. What do the geeks say is going to happen? Should I build an ark?
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    how do you know gore is overstating the problem? he has plenty of evidence, from the same sources you use. he uses the same ipcc graphs you use. how am i to know that obama is not overstating the problem, like gore, when he says the carbon tax is necessary.

    again, i think people who buy the global warming scam are just not paying attention to human nature. if global warming hysteria did not exist, there would be a similar scare to replace it. we white folks in the first world have plenty of time on our hands and we need a religion, preferably one that involves humanity being sinful enough so that we can have a reason to seek redemption.

    and again, scientists really dont get grants or seats on panels or headlines with conclusions like "climate uncertain, unpredictable, might get warmer or cooler, data inconclusive".

    questions without clear answers have always frustrated humans, and they never hesitate to find answers where there are none.
     
  3. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    There already is, pick one of about 10 crisis that is going on today.
    Obama and the Libs, Ron Emanuel have never let a good crisis go to waste.
    The more crisis the more willing people are going to be to give up freedom which in return gives the government and people in power more money and more power.
    Al Gore and Obama for starters.
    Look at the money these people make and it trickles right down to the scientists that put out this garbage.
    It is garbage, no way anything you breathe or exhale is poison.
    Look how ridiculus things have become, we are talking about animals and cow patties that are a danger to the environment.
    Don't you dare breathe or fart.
    Some who believe this are now talking about how bad people are for the planet, population control?

    Who in the hell is going to get rich off of the carbon tax?
    Some of the same Obama has criticized for stealing from the rightful owners.
    Who the hell are the rightful owners? I think Obama stole from them as well, he's rich!
    Who is going to suffer from this crap?
    Poor people.

    Meanwhile Obama has his colby beef and travels around the world, joy ride in NYC.
    He and Michele travel in different planes, overseas for olympic bid.

    If Al Gore, Obama and the Libs believed the sh!t they preached they would live quite differently.
    If you don't practice what you preach then shut the hell up!
    There is no one who has a bigger carbon footprint then the ass holes who preach and support this bs.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I don't know, I just don't object if you say that he is. I object when you say that the science is wrong.

    What scam? There is no scam here. If climate change is some kind of swindle or fraud, then make your friggin' case. I ain't holding my breath.

    Your ignorance concerning science funding is amusing, as I have pointed out before.

    Your inability to understand is beside the point. It doesn't mean that nobody understands.
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    well, is he or isnt he? gore says the future of civilizaion is at risk, and he has the science to back him up, and a nobel prize. is his science wrong? i bet he has plenty of peer reviewed evidence.

    do you ever take a position on anything, or do you merely reference others? is al gore correct, or isnt he? is his science flawed or not? does he not have mountains of peer reviewed evidence for his claims? yes or no?

    unlike you, i have a position. i think he is skewing the evidence, which is itself skewed and politically slanted and presumes to understand and predict what is basically unpredictable.

    what do you think? no opinion? a link to some study? no opinion on anything except that you think cap and trade is a good idea (which took pages and pages of asking for you to take a stand on), for no reason you are willing to defend?
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Will it do me any good? I can link you to where I have stated all of this before on global warming threads that you have participated in. You just dismiss it and ask me the same question again. Furthermore to answer your questions will require me posting graphs and scientific studies and "gobbledegook" that you have already mentioned that you are too bored to read. If you have no real, scientific interest, why ask a scientific question?

    But here goes, oversimplified, no graphs, no gobbledegook, so don't come back and demand a link. Go back to the other threads if you want the links.

    1. If the mean sea level temp rises .03 degrees over a millenium tells me nothing. -- Well we know without doubt that global temperature has risen 1.5 degrees since 1900. It's on a big upswing. It's likely to rise 2 to 4 degrees in the next 150 years.

    What does this mean? Fresh water stored in glaciers will no longer be available if the glaciers melt. Ice caps will melt. Changing climatic zones will disrupt agriculture all over the world. As part of a delicate ecosystem, some animals will disappear from the globe forever.

    Sea level will rise. Large portions of Louisiana will disappear severely impacting the economy of the state and displacing a million and a half people. Coastal cities all over the world will be inundated.

    2. Should you build an ark. -- By all means. Make it 50 cubits wide, 30 cubits tall and 300 cubits long. Use sturdy gopherwood.

    Here is the deal, and the reason why I don't support the entire agenda of Al Gore and the politics of AGW. Global warming is a fact. Climate change as a result is a fact. However some of the proposed cures are a waste of time and money. But many of them also make good sense , It is foolish to lump it all together and try to say it's all "good" or "bad".

    The science is good. Some of the cures are good and some are not. All of the politics is politics. Practically ALL climate change skeptics confuse the evidence, the proposed cures, and the politics and jumble them all together. That is what I try to separate here.

    Good science; mixed bag of cures; typical politics.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    His science is correct. Not all of his proposed solutions are practical and his politics are driven by additional agendas. The point that you seem incapable of absorbing is that politics that you dislike and cures that you disbelieve do not make the fact of global warming invalid. You mix issues.

    I've made my position clear to everybody here including you. You are just addicted to dispute and can't stop your mindless objections.

    Then prove it. Oh wait, you only make wild accusations, you never actually prove a damn thing. Nobody is fooled.
     
  8. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    his science indicates that the future of civilization is at risk. do you agree that this is what the science indicates? this is independent of his solutions or ideas about how to fix things.

    again, i am not in a position where i need to prove anything, you are. you are the one in favor of change. you are the one that favors a carbon tax which will necessarily punish the people that can least afford it. i favor freedom. freedom doesnt need to be justified. the burden to explain why is on the guy who wants to force his will on everyone else. thats you.

    of course you have. you are in favor of and oppose everything except moderateness, which you will not define except for to say you oppose the things you arbitrarily label as extreme.

    what am i to prove? that predictions are fallible? that making projections based on models of complex interacting phenomena is necessarily a risky business? want me to prove that humankind likes to seek redemption for non-crimes? open the bible. it is right there in the beginning.

    would you like me to prove that government regulations of things have unintended consequences? have you ever opened an economics textbook?
     
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  9. tinsley

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    How 'bout the hirsute mollusk?
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Untrue. This is an intentional misleading statement. The science only shows that temperature has risen, is likely to continue rising, and is responsible for documented changes. Any characterization that the future of civilization is at risk is his conclusion.

    Already asked and answered in this thread.

    You can either stand behind your statements and back them up with evidence or you stand there with nothing and cry about it when you are made a fool of.

    And again you try to steer the issue to "big government". Got nothing to do with the science of global warming.
     

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