People will need to consider turning vegetarian if the world is to conquer climate change

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  1. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    1) I hate what ifs, what if a forest fire burnt down all the trees?
    WE aren't going to cut all the trees down, your point doesn't work here.
    I never said man doesn't affect the planet did I?
    Are you suggesting population control otherwise what is the point?
    When you said mansion I thought of Al Gore's house btw!:lol:
    The problem is there is no way to get the politics out of the debate.
    People want to believe the crappy UN computers on global warming.
    The same corrupt organization that was involved in the oil for food program.
    The computers only know what people put in them and there is no way to tell how accurate the information is.

    What is distasteful is the lies or exaggerations of the left and those who it is their agenda to scare people or create a crisis.
    Yet they do nothing to change the way they live or their carbon footprint!

    I don't have a problem with changing some things to help preserve the planet but I don't support many of those involved or their lies.
    I don't trust anyone involved in this process because of the tall tales.
    That is what happens when people politicize things and stretch the truth.
    Cry wolf, etc.
     
  2. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    I would give up red meat and pork for a month but I can't go the total veggie route. I would still eat seafood and chicken
     
  3. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    So Lord Whoever-he-is thinks if we all go vegan, it will reduce carbon emissions. Question: since the emissions he's concerned about are coming from living animals, how is our not eating them going to help? They'll still be alive and emitting. Or is he proposing some kind of global holocaust against animals raised for their meat? I wonder how the animal rights crowd will feel about that?
     
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  4. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Not that I am for this but if people quit eating animals then fewer animals would exist because with no market for them, cows, pigs and chickens would no longer be bred and raised for market
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I've posted graph after graph, post after post, citations from the worlds authorities on the subject, projections, models, on over a dozen threads. The data you ask for is out there and it has been shown to you over and over. Yet you keep repeating the same stupid questions like they haven't been answered at length about five times already. If you aren't paying attention to my posts, then it's not worth the effort to bother responding.

    Just because you find it difficult to understand something doesn't make it difficult for me . . . or anybody else.
     
  6. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    He wants to know what YOU think. He wants simple, pithy responses from you. I hate to break it to you but we don't analyze all that crap you link to because it's boring and time-consuming to those of us who realize that it's all a big shell game. Why don't you just answer his specific questions with succinct replies?
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Geez, do you guys all go to UnqualifiedObserver.com to find these "experts". :huh: What a softball.

    Lets look at the Bio of this tower of climatological expertise. :hihi:

    Once again a non-scientist who writes a column entitled "Global Warming Disproved" containing no scientific evidence whatsoever, does NOT disprove anything.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I've done that, too. Time and time again. It doesn't work with him or with you. You really don't care about the truth here. You only care about the politics.

    I do and then I back it up with evidence.

    Here is the problem. If you guys were just attacking the politics, I'd mostly let it go. Politics are subjective. But when you attack the science with hearsay and bullchit, I shoot it down. And you make it easy because of the attitude you have stated above. You are too lazy or bored or close-minded to check out the data and make a scientific objection that you can back up with evidence.

    It's a "shell game" to you. You throw out some sound bytes, which are easily discredited and shown to be false. And when I do just that, you just pretend that it never happened and make the same damn ridiculous assertion tomorrow.

    Either quit trying to poo-poo the science or attack it scientifically and be prepared to back it up. I ain't going away.
     
  9. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    It's all common sense, Red. All of your experts have an agenda, same as the politicians.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Some of it is common sense, amigo. But much of it are cold hard facts that some of you refuse to face.

    No they don't. I've addressed this several times, as well. There are political voices out there that overstate the problem, that's why you don't see me defending the politics of Al Gore. But the scientific basis of this is not agenda driven. The peer-review, publication, and challenge process precludes politics. Reputation is everything in this field and no credible scientist will ever get caught allowing a political element to substitute for a scientific one in an academic paper.

    Independent researchers who publish their results in refereed Journals are not rewarded by reaching specific conclusions, they are rewarded for reaching verifiable conclusions. In-house research also exists in corporations, think tanks, and as private consultants. These researchers often are sometimes tasked with proving a specific result. When they do, and it withstands publication and scrutiny by the rest of the discipline, it becomes accepted. But when such research doesn't fit the desired result it never sees the light of day or is released as a "report" that is not subject to scutiny and scientific challenge.
     

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