Penn & Teller on the Bible

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  1. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    Did this super dense thingamajig just show up one day? Where did that come from? Did it just hitch a ride here from some other thingamajig's pad?
     
  2. martin

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    unknown. at this point we have to remind ourselves to stick to theories based on observation, which is to say we accept we know nothing.

    if we are gonna assume god made the thingamajig, that leaves us wondering who made god, maybe a supergod.

    we probably should apply occam's razor and not go making up needlessly complicated explanations for the unknown.
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Either the universe always existed just because, popped into being just because, or was created by an unmoved mover and an uncaused cause. I like the third one.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    We is us. I mean, can you dig it, Daddy-O?

    "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together." -- Lennon
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    here is a fun game i made up. i list some groups of people and their corresponding catholic patron saints, and you guess which one i made up. all but one are real, which did i make up?

    bakers of holy wafers: Honorius of Amiens
    bird dealers: John the Baptist
    bomb technicians: Barbara
    Shorthand writers: Cassian of Imola
    snake bites: Hilary of Poitiers
    storks: Agricola of Avignon
    murderers: Caedwalla, Julian the Hospitaller, Nicholas of Myra.
    haberdashers: Louis IX, Michael the Archangel
    Haemorrhoid sufferers: Fiacre
    robberbarons: Petunia the Eminent
    open sores: Peregrine Laziosi
    to obtain lodgings while travelling: Gertrude of Nivelles.
    people ridiculed for their piety: Agostina Pietrantoni.
    protection against rats: Gertrude of Nivelles
    conscientious objectors: Marcellus

    one of these groups of people doesnt really have a patron saint. go ahead, take a guess. the winner gets nothing.

    of course the stunning thing here is that i didnt make all of them up.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Petunia the Eminent?

    Shirley U. Geste,
     
  7. col reb

    col reb Founding Member

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    Sorry to bust your bubble, but I read it to prove my beliefs. If our preacher makes a statement that I tend to disagree with, I go home, get out my Bible and Matthew Henry, then make up my own mind. After all, I am the one responsible for my soul. I don't believe any man is "totally" correct in all interpretations of the word. That's why the Bible says to "study to show thyself approved.":)
     
  8. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    The scientific method is great and everything, but it will never be able to explain what is unexplainable. The scientific method can define the world, but it can't explain what transcends the world. Science has gotten us far, but it is limited.

    If everything came from nothing and there is no point to life, life is irrational. Only irrational methods can explain what is irrational. Trying to be rational in an irrational world makes no sense. God is a feeling. God is will. God is immaterial.

    I've probably said this before: God is everything. Everything that we know is made of things. Nothing is made from the absence of things, or nothing. We know that nothing can't be made of things, by definition. Since nothing is nothing, there is no question in regard to its origin. Nothing exists because it exists. There seems to be a parallel between God and nothing. If God = nothing, and God = everything, that would mean that everything is nothing. Quantum physics seems to indicate that there is no such thing as matter and that everything is nothing more than energy, which can be described but not explained.

    If God is nothing, maybe it's ok if we are nothing. That would ease alot of my fear of death if I could accept it. It would probably make life more enjoyable. I would probably be more happy. Science could care less if I am happy. But I want to be happy.

    Yeah, so I'm no quantum physicist, so there may be falacious points in my argument, but I believe in feelings. Science doesn't care if I'm depressed or happy. So science doesn't seem as apealing to me as God, and if God is simply and complexly just a good feeling, maybe science isn't as valuable as it seems.

    :confused:
     
  9. martin

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    yes, some things are unexplained. we must accept it without inventing things.

    and so our knowledge is limited. nothing we can do.

    there is a point to life. it is whatever you want. there is no magical point to life though.


    then where did god come from?


    me too, but i dont need to trick myself to be happy. if things are just what they are, that i s ok by me. dont need magic or an afterlife. why not just appreciate what is real for the time you are around?

    i used to have a girlfriend that said this. i talked her out of it. she didnt seem any sadder afterwards.
     
  10. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    Why must we accept it without inventing things? Creativity is beautiful. I think it is important to temper creativity with reality, and I believe in experimentation, but creativity is a boon to scientific discovery. Ultimately, it doesn't matter if you live in a fantasyland or a firmly scientific one. If you are happy, either way is fine, especially if there is no afterlife. It is possible to live a whimsical life that feels right that science one day might describe as ideal. Personally I think my idea of god forces me to think more scientifically because I am constantly longing and searching for truth.

    Magic is just what science can't explain yet. I think the point of life is following the feeling of true contentment and living without restraint in that aspect.

    If god is nothing, then we are nothing. If we are nothing then god is everything. God simply is, but that doesn't mean he is an immortal white bearded man sitting on a throne in the clouds. God is an idea, faith, the true feeling of peace.

    I think that is the ideal, to fully appreciate the moment. Do you strive to better yourself and know yourself better or do you feel satisfied as you are now? If you feel satisfied, do you live free of doubt, fear, jealousy, greed and are you purely compassionate? Do you think those are ideals worth striving for?
     

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