Paterno on way out?

Discussion in 'The Tiger's Den' started by lsu_mackey, Nov 8, 2011.

  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

    The usual suspects seem to be derailing a lot of threads lately. Let me encourage the use of PM for personal chat.
     
  2. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

    I don't know what PSU's prescribed channels are, Red, but I know that in my school district, if a teacher suspects child abuse, the teacher is supposed to report directly to Child Protective Services--with NO middle-man/administrator being able to do that for them.

    This whole scandal is stomach-turning.
     
  3. Tiger_fan

    Tiger_fan Veteran Member

    and Joe Pa did report the suspected abuse, which is how the AD, the VP, and the School President found out about it

    as the Grand Jury report stated:

    "The University, by its senior staff, Gary Schultz, Senior Vice President for Finance and Business and Tim Curley, Athletic Director, was notified by two different Penn State employees [Joe Pa and the grad asst] of the alleged sexual exploitation of that youth. Pennsylvania's mandatory reporting statute for suspected child abuse is located at 23 Pa.C.S. Sec. 6311 (Child Protective Services Law) and provides that when a staff member reports abuse, pursuant to statute, the person in charge of the school or institution has the responsibility and legal obligation to report or cause such a report to be made by telephone and in writing within 48 hours to the Department of Public Welfare of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania"

    the grad assistant was brought before both Schultz and Curley to tell them what he saw, and both Schultz and Curley reported it to the University President, Graham Spanier

    also, Schultz "oversaw the University Police as part of his position," so by telling Schultz, you were telling the guy in charge of the police


    now sure, from a moral perspective there is a whole laundry list of people who dropped the ball:

    regarding the 1998 incidents ("VICTIM 6"), the two police detectives, the investigator with the Department of Public Welfare, the director of the campus police, and the district attorney all knew about it, and they didn't do anything about it

    regarding the 2000 incident ("VICTIM 8") where the janitor saw Sandusky performing oral sex on a boy in the showers, the janitor, all his co-workers, and their supervisor all knew about it, and they didn't do anything about it

    regarding the 2002 incident ("VICTIM 2"), a lot of people knew about it: the grad asst McQueary (who is now the Asst. Coach, WR Coach, and Recruiting Coordinator), McQueary's father, Joe Pa, the AD Curley, the VP Schultz, the President Spanier, and if what they testified was true, they told Dr. Jack Raykovitz, Executive Director of the Second Mile, about it and they told the attorney about it: Wendell Courtney who was both the University counsel and the counsel for The Second Mile

    regarding the 2006 incident ("VICTIM 1") where the high school head wrestling coach caught Sandusky fooling around with a boy in the high school weight room, he didn't do anything about it

    and you've also got to wonder about Sandusky's wife, with all the boys he kept having spend the night at his house and hotel rooms with him, how was that not suspicious to her?
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

    I suppose it is because students are generally adults in universities, we have fewer guidelines regarding child abuse. With sexual improprieties on campus, the rules are set up to insure that the many student and victim privacy laws that colleges follow are adhered to.

    They generally want legal matters handled by university officials and lawyers who know all of the rules and won't violate federal privacy laws. This is why I think that the university officials that have resigned are the ones that dropped the ball at PSU. But Paterno had to have been consulted.
     
  5. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

    This is true about university students being adults, but of course, the victims in this case were young children. It's inconceivable that the people in charge tried to sweep this under the rug.

    I visited the Penn State forums a few minutes ago, and there was a youtube video of Joe addressing a group of adoring students outside his house tonight. It brought tears to my eyes because I'd admired this man, and now? He seems so pathetic--moreso than all these years he's stayed in his job when he really needed to have retired.

    I stand by my assertion that this is going to kill him...soon.
     
  6. Pennsylvania

    Pennsylvania Go easy on me

    We've been saying for 15 years that Paterno will die if he ever leaves the game. It's his whole life. But to leave under these circumstances....devastating.
     
  7. Tiger_fan

    Tiger_fan Veteran Member

  8. Pennsylvania

    Pennsylvania Go easy on me

    McQueary is getting hammered this morning.......it's about time.....
     
  9. lsu_mackey

    lsu_mackey Agent Purple

    Don't you think it's a little too early to be drinking? What does he think this is, an LSU tailgate or something?
     
  10. Pennsylvania

    Pennsylvania Go easy on me

    Hardy har har. He's finally getting the negative attention he deserves. He had better not be on PSU's sideline this week.
     

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