Pakistan Unraveling, Bhutto Assassinated

Your missing my point. The govt uses "fear" to take away our freedoms. That is something our founders would be ashamed of. Our Republic is falling apart.

 

Sweeden has hotter chicks AND they refuse the Euro! :thumb:

 

We can't afford the war. Then, in Bush's wisdom, he builds huge social programs. It used to be when we fought wars, the folks at home had to give up their butter. I don't see anyone giving up their butter. Our dollar is sinking, oil prices are rising faster because of it, China is buying up our country, and no candidate (aside from you know who) seems interested in seriously talking about our financial situation.

And if the surge is working so well, why is Al-Queda stronger than they've been since 9/11? This is so stupid. I find it strange that I feel more inspired than ever even though the guy that should win isn't even being considered by most. The guy has made me want to become a more active part in the direction of our nation.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ <--- Interesting & unrelated

 

im no fan of "the war", but al queda isnt stronger in iraq.

and the surge is working militarily. doesnt mean they are any closer to having a stable govt. much political reconciliation to be done.

 

Does it matter where Al-Queda is strong? They are a state-less threat.

One of the long-term security plans of the Iraqi government is to seek continuous military support from the US Armed Forces. If Iraq can ever become prosperous and reconciled I guess the idea is we will start seeing a return on our investment and we'll have another tactical location in the middle east.

I really prefer not being entangled in the internal affairs of other nations. Why do so many have no problem ignoring this advice from the founding fathers?

 

How do they use "fear" to take away our freedoms? What, by trying to protect you from a very real threat? Heaven forbid people get a dose of reality outside of the safe bubble they live in. And what freedoms have been taken away from you lately?

Is that such a bad thing? We're not setting up an empire, a la the British back in the day, but rather strategically placing our military assets in hot spots where we can more quickly react if the sh*t hits the fan, thus keeping the fight abroad and away from home. Maybe it's the warrior mentality that has been ingrained in my head or the fact that I've accepted that the world will never be filled with shiny happy people holding hands, but I don't really see the problem in that.

Because it's a much different world now than it was 250 years ago.

That's your opinion. There must be a reason why most people aren't considering him. Sadly, you Ron Paul fanatics can't seem to understand that.

 

It's all because of the media plot to keep Ron Paul out of office.

 

There have been a number of hit pieces in newspapers across the nation. Fox News has bashed him unmercifully. Bigtime papers and noncable news has marginalized him (and all minor candidates).

Many people haven't heard of Paul, many people have only heard negative things assosciated with his name, and many dismiss him because of little name recognition or because operations like Fox News always call him a kook. I don't claim this is only targeted at Paul. A large number of newssources do their consumers a disservice by hyper-editorializing and not giving all voices a fair shake. Ron Paul is not a kook.

 

Go send your vote for McCain and watch the country go broke.

 

The biggest issue is the economics of the situation. Foreign entanglements cost a lot of money, and our financial situation is not good. Also, by getting involved in foreign entanglements we are getting ourselves involved in complex situations unnecessarily. We end up funding our future enemies, we fund Muslim countries and Israel, we put ourselves on a tightrope and end up telling countries what they should and shouldn't do. They listen because we're powerful and we bribe them, but I wouldn't call that a healthy relationship. Even if we could afford it, it would be ill advised. The bottom line, however, is that we can't afford it.

I believe in a strong national defense and strong information gathering - I actually believe this could be done better with our armed forces at home. We could do a better job securing our borders, we could save a lot of money, and the economic impact of those bases would be domestic, not abroad.

We knew about the tactic the 9/11 terrorists used, but our national defense was in the hands of such a big bureaucracy that the situation wasn't efficiently handled. Most republicans believe in the inefficiency of big federal programs, so I don't think it should be hard to understand that building a bigger federal national defense bureaucracy was not a good idea. We haven't gotten Al-Queda yet (they are stronger than they've been since 9/11 despite reports that the surge is working) and bin Laden is still free.

Iraq is costing us a ridiculous amount of money, Afghanistan is becoming unstable again, and Pakistan is tumultuous. We are suffering for our foreign entanglements at a time when other powerful countries are gaining favor in the world. The answer is 100 years in Iraq and tensions with Iran? We can't afford that.

Much of what they said still holds true. Foreign entanglements cost money and put us in awkward positions. They've unnecessarily cost the lives of our soldiers and the lives of innocent Iraqis. Sure Islamic terrorism is a real threat, but what makes you think we are any more safe from that. Al-Queda is still strong, it doesn't take a huge force to do what the 9/11 terrorists did, and we have gaping holes in our national defense. We inspect less than 1% of all the shipping containers that come to us from overseas. If illegal aliens can make it into the states, do you really feel confident we can keep terrorists out? We have an illusion of security.

Our actions abroad are making more terrorists and those actions are not necessary to protect our country. There will always be those that hate us and blame us for all the bad things in the world. Ron Paul understands that, I understand that. Terrorism deserves our attention, but it will always exist, as long as misguided hatred exists.

Honestly, I believe many are buying into the rhetoric pushed by our politicians and companies like fox news. Iraq was never a serious threat to our national security.