Official LSU v UK at Rupp Thread

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  1. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    no defensive intensity. ok, thats unfair--hud stuck to his man. we are too willing to let them get the ball where they want and then play D. we dont fight through screens (maybe theyre told not to). problems on our end come from no passing. our passes are either outside the arc, or cross court after a drive. our guards dont drive and pass to a cutter. uk did that all day. i wonder how much of that has to do with short guards that dont attract other defenders on drives.

    positives to take away: neltner played well should get more pt

    davis and bass played well as always
    hudson played well--i wish he would have taken more shots off the dribble. he's clearly at his best off the dribble, but rarely does it.

    negatives: minor still hasnt learned
    no d
    dont get post players the ball in good position enough (that was my key to the game)
     
  2. JayB

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    Not to be negative...but WHY did this game have to be on national TV, this is probably the biggest embarassment I've ever seen. UK sure picked a great time to play ball. If they played like they did against Ole Piss, and If LSU played like we did against FSU, USC, OSU, or Arkansas, we win. Oh well. I guess I'd be dreaming if I thought UK would play poor ball two games in a row. Smith is too good of a coach for that sh*t. I've been supporting Brady since day one. Actually, I've supported him most of this season until I watched this game. We have the most boring plays and schemes I've ever seen. What happened to the runnin and gunnin, huh Brady? Oh yea, I forgot, the D couldn't hang. I don't blame some guys from leaving the team. Would YOU want to stay and play under these circumstances? Ok, now I'm just starting to rant, but WHY does LSU automatically claim they're a "football school" all the time. That is BS. LSU has enough money, resources, fans, and talent in the state to be successful in EVERYTHING. Skip needs to get off of his high horse. He touts Seimone as the greatest signee ever (I'm not arguing there,) but realistically, we should be able to get similar (sort of) talent for the men's program. Man, w/e. I know it's Kentucky and they're a good team. But, majority of the time when LSU IS winning, they win ugly. I'm talking about the entire Brady era here. Yes, even Stromile's team won some ugly games. We need some major reconstruction in this program...
     
  3. gumborue

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    ok, where to start? you havent been around long if this was the biggest embarrasment. how about purdue 2 yrs ago, or wisconsin in 00, or against uk 93?, indiana 91, georgia tech 90

    i wouldnt bring up seimone as an example of recruits mens bball should get. its not that big of a deal to keep a player in state. brady got swift, bass, davis, mitchell--thats not exactly the problem.

    and the tigers played about like they had in the win streak. uk is just a lot better than those teams and it was on the road.
     
  4. TigerEducated

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    Precisely the reason most would deduce that Brady should no longer be the head coach at LSU...If they played that way during a win streak, and then went up against a good opponent in a tough environment and got absolutely pistol-whipped, it's a pretty easy lesson to learn about this team and its coaching staff.

    It's a perfectly and glaringly obvious sign that the teams we beat-and barely at that-were putrid.

    Yet another example to take from this is that LSU, when we go up against decent competition, is shown to be equally putrid.

    All this "talent" that Brady's allegedly snared...Two McDonald's All-Americans, three before he ran Koundjia off. Tack Minor-a "can't miss" coming out of HS-is yet another 'talent' we have. Neltner-a former Kentucky Mr. Basketball-is another haul.

    What do we do with it? We consistently go out and not just underwhelm, but look like sh!t doing it...

    Bag it, John...Take the first thing smoking, and leave...We've seen enough...
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    is your point that the talent isnt really talented, or that they really are good, just poorly coached?
     
  6. TigerEducated

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    You're doing your impression of Drew Barrymore in "50 First Dates" when she wakes up each morning after her accident, right?

    When have I dogged those players out? It's obvious that it's not that they don't have game, or fundamental basketball chops...It's that when they're forced to play in a five-man rotation, and go up against top teams who routinely rotate 10-11 men in (at one point, Kentucky had all of their starters out playing our top 5 to a standstill, then wholesale substituted their starters back in, made a push, and literally ground us to a mushy pulp), they look fundamentally sorry.

    Brady has run his players off to the point where he has no depth...How much help would a Shawnson Johnson into our down low depth be? How much would Gipson, or perhaps even Koundjia, impact the game? How much would they impact the play of our starters, like Mitchell or Minor? Do you get the point?

    Brady's sorry coaching philosophies...and Brady's sorry development of talent...Brady's sorry handling of recruiting decisions...It all adds up to sorry performances on the court for most of the season...sprinkled with a few, all too infrequent displays of the talent and the potential of the talent if it were handled, managed, and cultivated like a half-ass decent coach would be able to tend to.
     
  7. gumborue

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    those teams arent putrid. average teams in big conferences. and you are right it show where we are--average to slightly above average in a big conf. to me the question is how much do we improve?

    stop with the talent arguement already. brady gets play out of the big talents. the well discussed problem is lack of them. they leave. so we end up with no bench and short guards. packer commented on the guards "i cant remember the last time i saw a team with two short guards that were so good". yea, well the other teams find taller guards. uk has so much talent that they dont depend on AAs in their freshman year.

    brady isnt a great coach, but i would like to see what he would do with a well put together team. if he could somehow recruit guys that would stay. there is evidence that it would be a top 10 program. the three good teams brady has had were not deep

    but its skips decision whether or not to cut bait. i can live with it either way for now.
     
  8. TigerEducated

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    "they leave"...This is what you need to focus on...The most unexplained and ill advised statement in the post, and one he'll try to reword, repeat, and hope no one asks him about later, as well, which I'll pound on again...

    WHO MADE THEM LEAVE? WERE THEY BAD APPLES?

    There are finite possibilities, and definite reasons for the possibilities, and blame to be found.

    They left on their own? Either they know better than you do, or Brady did, or you can answer yes to the 2nd question to answer the 1st question here.

    If they left on their own, if they were bad apples...They were-period, point blank-recruiting mistakes made by John Brady. To go along with mistakes like Garrett Temple & Tyrus Thomas...Like Duane Spencer...Like JueMichael Young, and Gipson, & Shawnson Johnson...The decisions for these recruits are ultimately made by Brady...

    Either they realize that Brady will hold them back and keep them from their potential and the program's as well, or Brady made a mistake in recruiting them. The finite aspect of the blame lies here. One way-or the other-John Brady is to blame for the players costing LSU...Or their lack of appearance in our rotation hurting LSU...

    Are you honestly telling me that you want someone who isn't a great coach in charge of our program? Where is the logic in that statement?

    So, it's not his fault, or it is his fault...and we reach the same circle...The same cycle...If it's bad players and bad apples, then it's Brady who makes the mistake when he got them on campus.

    If it's Brady's fault through disillusioning them because they agree-as you do-that he isn't a great coach, and they would hope for nothing less...Then that's on Brady as well...

    Get a grip...You cannot excuse, nor evade, nor try to just quickly try to glance over these glaring problems...
     
  9. gumborue

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    "great" is too subjective. i would argue that dale wasnt great,but he hung around here for 25yrs. most of them acceptable. i would also argue that dale was fired at an appropriate time, so i do not think we must have a "great" coach

    when there is a history, or a critical mass of players leaving in bad situations, it is definately brady's fault and he should be held accountable. perhaps im leaving him room to learn from his mistakes---probably foolish room to allow, but i have weaknesses. this weakness stems from the three good teams he put together. i immensely enjoyed watching those teams, and, as i previously posted, those teams were not deep.

    :geaux:
     
  10. TigerEducated

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    gumbo...You're giving him "room" and being "foolish" and showing "weakness" for what...A Sweet 16 run...a punk out in the 1st round of the NCAA's, and an NIT 2nd round loser?

    Give me a break...3 out of 8 seasons...

    How many times did Daddy Dale take us to the Tourney? We went to the Final Four twice...Brady's sorry @ss-thankfully in spite of your rope-won't get any more slack after this season...

    Good riddance to VERY BAD RUBBISH...
     

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