Obamacare Implementation Status

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  1. tigerchick46

    tigerchick46 Quick Learner

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    Fixed you for Winston1
     
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  2. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Actually if you read the biographies of Jobs and Ford you will see they did just that. It is also shown in articles about Dell, Gates et al. There WAS NO data to back them.
    Ford broke the mold by selling an affordable car and developing his assembly line and paying his workers 5 times more than others. Jobs, Gates, Dell again had no data as the PC business didn't exist before them. Politicians who break molds like Reagan, Churchill or even revolutionaries like Lenin and Castro or Mao are the same. Do you think they crunched polling data before making their marks? They did what they felt right and took paths in opposition to conventional wisdom (data based thought). Grow up and get out in the world sport.
     
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  3. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Or it won't. Wild-ass guesses are meaningless.
     
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    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    It's not hard to know that if you put millions of sick people on that rates will go up. Or if you take the caps away that rates will go up. These were all provisions to keep costs down. It's not the 90% of the rate population that creates the cost, it's the 10% of sick.
     
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    Wild-ass guesses are meaningless.....however, if you apply some common sense, meander through the lessons of history and basic business models, and be completely honest, this program was never going to succeed. Never.

    There is a point where shear size and scope, make a single provider model impossible. Layer on the complexities and inefficiencies of government, particularly at the federal level and you have a zero sum game. Consider the fraud that WILL occur, the disarray that has to be corrected, the massive amount of claims and complaints. We are talking about the largest amount of people aimed to be served, the largest health care initiative, the largest web portal deployment....in history....and anyone things the US government can do it successfully? It was never going to happen. Unless we address tort reform within the medical industry, the ACA will fail.....miserably.

    Rather, the ACA and the recent launch have been nothing but a distraction from what the current administration doesn't want you to think about or deal with. What the hell are we doing in the Middle East? What terrorist groups and tyrants are we still propping up? What deals are we making to keep our hands on foreign oil? Magicians do it all the time. Sleight of hand. Obama and his cronies are doing it en masse and the sheeple are following right along.
     
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  8. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    reading the script nicely

    tort reform savings probably will top out around 70billion, health care is 2.5 trillion dollar industry....
    math helps sometimes.

    also there is no fraud in private programs or private fortune 500 companies, they are well oiled machines we found out in 2007.
     
  9. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    Obamacare is the solyndra of healthcare.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Speculation. The program has not yet begun.

    How do you explain its success in other prosperous developed nations?

    Did you skip five years? Darlin' . . . ACA hasn't even started yet. If it is imperfect, it can be changed. There is a lot of anti-government paranoia here unsupported by evidence. What you advocate is the status quo, which is proven worse, with millions of people uninsured and premiums escalating so far beyond salaries that it is unsustainable. That's the alternative you offer. Nothing. From the Party of No. And the Tea Party of No Clue.

    That is an entirely separate issue where we can probably find agreement. The only real issue is finding the balance point between claimants that improperly hold physicians liable for matters behind their control and physicians being properly held accountable for their legitimate errors.

    Here it comes . . .

    Things are far better for the United States in the Middle East than for many years. What are the issues you allude to?

    We are disengaging from the budget-busting, endless wars of George Bush, we have decimated Al Qaeda leadership in six countries with drone strikes, SOF raids and covert CIA operations. Bin Ladin is dead. Iran is making peace overtures to us, including backing away from nuclear weapons. We did not get militarily involved in a Syrian Civil War in which all factions hate us. But we successfully used the Big Stick to force concessions from the Syrians and the Russians and now chemical weapons no longer threaten Israel. We played Libya smart by making the Euro's take charge with a lot of support from us and made it go the way it should. Qadaffi is dead.

    We continue to play Egypt smart by overtly decrying the undemocratic coup all the while covertly supporting the Egyptian military all along. For the first time in a long while, we are not kissing the Saudi's asses in the middle east and they don't like it. Fuck 'em. They are dependent on us militarily and economically and they must behave like a dependent. We are no long coddling Palestinians or Jews in the Israel conflict, which has never worked. We are playing hard ball with both sides and insisting on concessions from each.

    We militarily control The Mediterranean, The Red Sea, The Arabian Sea, and the Persian Gulf. We have military bases in Turkey Iraq, Kuwait, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Oman, Saudi Arabia, The UAE, Bahrain, Jordan, Diego Garcia, and Qatar, with overflight rights in all of the above. We have unfettered top-priority transit right to the Suez Canal and the Somali pirates no longer fuck with US shipping. The oil routes are open for free commerce.

    Relations with our European allies are the best in years, even the French are going to war with us. Relations with Middle eastern allies and opponents are all in good shape. Even the NSA spying scandals are all for public show, because covertly NATO wants the data too . . . .and they get it.
     
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