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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    certain kinds of cigarettes are definitely off limits. is a travesty.
     
  2. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    I am not for the overthrow of the goverment. I am afraid of what the goverment is becoming. Damn they are hiring 30000 more IRS agents to enforce this healthcare bill alone. Many progressives openly promote socialism. Let's see the communist all have or had socialist in their name. Ussr - union of soviet socialistic republics. The Nazis were national socialist. So many socialist states turn into totalitarian states. Already the goverment is involved in everthing in your life. Democrats have tried over and over to disarm the American public. I don't like that. All the founding fathers believed that an armed public is the best protection aginst a goverment that wishes to enslave it's people. Progressives demonize corporations and want the workers to unite and stand up to the evil rich. Class warfare was the ignition for the communist takeovers in russa and china. I am not for taking over the goverment but for limiting the goverment's power to take over us. They are at the point of bankrupting this country now. I am not anti goverment I am pro goverment. Pro a goverment that follows the constution and it's protections. I am for keeping goverment at what it was originally intended to be and not giving it any more powers than the founding fathers thought it should have. Many of the powers the federal goverment has used to be strictly state powers. The less centralized the power is in the federal goverment the more freedom we will have.
     
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    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    I also think republicans have used goverment wrongly to control us. If lasalle wants to grow a pot plant in a bucket in his backyard that's his business. He should be able to drink all the chocolate soilders and smoke all the grape flavored stuffed cigars he wants on his property. If you want to make a still on your property and distill so shine for yourself then why should the goverment be in your business. If two dudes want to make a mess in their bed in their home so what. Democrats aren't the only ones using goverment to intrude in peoples lives. I wish goverment would back off and let people live their lives.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Is it 30,000 now? :rolleye33:


    Please . . . name one. One from this century. Somebody we've heard of. You've railed against liberals and democrats. Who are these "progressives" than now endanger us?

    So what. Are you calling the United States of America a socialist nation? :insane:

    Meaningless exaggeration.

    Please . . . name one instance where the democratic party tried to disarm the American public.

    Examples? Who are these "progressives"?

    WE THE PEOPLE are the government, amigo!!!! if you don't like the democrats, then vote them out. It has always worked this way. Try to keep from being hysterical when the political pendulum swings the other way. It always swings back. We live in a very free country.

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  5. Rwilliams

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    70 Congressional Democrats Admitted Socialists | Mind-Numbed Robot


    Come on red. Democrats all over in just about every northern state and cities like chicago ,La and dc all have tried to ban firearms. The NRA , which I have been a member of for twenty years, has fought tooth and nail to in court to keep our 2 nd amendment rights. In court battles they tried to say it was the states rights as militias not indivudal rights.

    Here is a list of every federal case where a democrat has tried to disarm Americans by taking away our 2nd amendment rights. They have been trying to do this for decades. Where have you been? Do you have a NRA card. I doubt it. You would be kicked out of the official good democrat's club!

    Federal Cases Regarding the Second Amendment
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You will simply never learn . . .

    My friend, you'll believe anything without even bothering to check to see if it is bullchit.


    You just got caught spreading a lie, sorry if I still ask that you provide some real examples of the democratic party trying to ban firearms. Just one.

    Well I went through this lengthy list and guess what? Not one is a case of the democratic party trying to ban firearms. Not one. Furthermore, none of the individuals naming these cases is identified as a democrat!

    Man, you just make things up. You must know that I will not let you get away with it.

    In the research world. Where we don't believe everything we read. We check it out.

    You are misguided on so many levels.

    1. I am not and have never been a Democrat.

    2. There are plenty of Democrats in the NRA and there are plenty of gun-owning Democrats

    4. If you have paid any attention to my posts you would know that I am a gun-owner and not a gun control advocate.

    5. No, I do not belong to the NRA. I disagree with the NRA's stand on many things. They as so rigid in not giving an inch to any sort of regulation that they end up supporting some ridiculous things. They favor private ownership of machine guns. They want it to be absurdly easy to get a federal firearms license to sell guns. They want no limits on how many guns a person can buy in a single day which leads to the gun-running we are seeing in the southwest right now and the way our criminals are armed with assault weapons. They don't support instant identity checks at gun shows to help keep guns out of the hands of felons, minors, and kooks.
     
  7. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    I guess I'm back for another round. This is the kind of crap that has me nervous about the far left wing of the democratic party- progressives.


    Throughout his career, Mr. Obama has had radical associations. At Columbia University, while teaching constitutional law, he embraced postmodernist legal theory that maintains that the U.S. constitutional system presents an artificial veneer for liberty while actually advancing the economic interests of powerful white males. As a community organizer in Chicago, he studied and tried to mimic the activism of Saul Alinsky - a neo-Trotskyite who championed “permanent revolution.” His longtime associates, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn are supporters of Marxist liberation and share a deep hatred for the United States. They believe only fundamental, sweeping change can redeem America.
     
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    You asked if I were an anarcist. This is what I found that I guess best describes my way of thinking.

    Cultural conservatives support the preservation of the heritage of one nation, or of a shared culture that is not defined by national boundaries.[42] The shared culture may be as divergent as Western culture or Chinese culture. In the United States, the term cultural conservative may imply a conservative position in the culture war. Cultural conservatives hold fast to traditional ways of thinking even in the face of monumental change. They believe strongly in traditional values and traditional politics, and often have an urgent sense of nationalism.

    And.....
    CONSERVATIVES - believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense.* Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals.*
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    Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems.

    I greatly distrust the far left because all the talk of class warfare. The get the rich attitude and workers revolt sound like the rallying cries of communist takeovers in other countries during the last century
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Geez, we covered all of this BS during the election. I don't suppose you are interested in reading all those old threads, though. I have two things to say.

    1. Guilt by implied association is McCarthyism at its best and is beneath you or should be. :dis:

    2. These associations are feeble attempts at mudslinging, long ago shot down. Please visit Snopes and FactCheck.com before repeating baseless rumors from conservative disk jockeys.

    I challenge you to find me a Columbia legal paper where Obama "embraced" Trotkyism, "artificial liberty" or "pernament revolution". Good luck with that.

    The rev. Wright may be a racist (and was disavowed by Obama as a result) but he does not advocate a "Marxist liberation". You made that up.

    William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn were 60's radicals when Obama was a young child. There are not "long-time associates" of Obama. They are acquaintances from when they were all law professors in Chicago . . . 35 years later.

    You can't find any instance of Obama being a marxist radical so you try to link him with others. People make false charges on the internet, counting on folks to not check them out. Do not believe everything you hear from Limbaugh, Beck, Walton, or Johnson. They are under no obligation to tell the truth and they allow no dissent on their shows.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Who has talked of class warfare?

    What workers revolt? Are you talking about workers expressing freedom of speech in Wisconsin? Why do you disdain the 1st Amendment to our Constitution. What are you afraid of hearing?

    Ring-wing nationalists trying to stifle dissent reminds me of Nazi Germany.
     

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