Obama wins Nobel Peace prize

that seems less likely than climate being unpredictable.

it amazes me that people cant see how transparently obvious this whole scam is. how people desperately want global warming to be true, even though it is a negative thing. when you understand that, we can proceed with your training, grasshopper.

 

true, i am somewhat resigned. i accept that humans can be very un-self-aware, and not understand why they are so eager to believe things. particularly things about their nature. like their tendency towards guilt-related myths.

tha average idiotic white liberal doesnt understand why he wants global warming to be true. he thinks global warming is bad and that he hates it. but the reality is that he loves it and desperately wants it to be true.

keep studying the human, you will learn how they operate.

 

Red, I would happy to leave it to the relm of science, except the scientists are influenced by the political atmosphere in the world. I would also be happy to go through the process of researching articles, list other scientists, etc. that you would prefer to see....."evidence" for lack of a better word. The problem is this will simply be dismissed by you because of the inability of people to recognize the truth in their daily life. It's certainly unrealistic to expect the problem to be solved on tiger forums of all places.

Here is my main point. The problem with these discussions is that it is not a sincere search for the truth. If one were really interested in the truth of the matter it would be pretty simple to start with this premise:

Human beings are all capable of being corrupt and having an agenda....whether they are priests, scientists, journalists, politicians or whatever.

So the question follows, if they are telling me to change my behavior in whatever way, they could be doing so for truthful reasons or they could have an agenda. As an adult it is your job to try and figure that out.

Part of figuring that out would be their track record on truthfulness in the past. So let's look at the track record of some of the proponents of global warming.

I would say the proponents of global warming are predominanently those on the left. The left also proposes......

-Men and woman are essentially the same....most of the differences we take for granted are a result of environmental, cultural influences.

-Homosexuality is simply another, equally healthy and valid lifestyle and as such same-sex marriage should be legalized.

-Abortion is not the killing of a human being but the "termination of a pregnancy" and as such is part of a woman's reproductive right.

-Immigration results in diversity which is beneficial to the US.

-Tax rates for the wealthy should be higher because they are able to bear the burden. "Spread the wealth around".

-Prayer in schools could be offensive to some students so it must be outlawed.

It is my contention that all of these assertions are patent b.s. and are not intended to strengthen the US but are intended to do just the opposite. The US has to be demoralized from within to the point it will be passively folded into the one world government that "they" feel is the best political organization for the planet.

They also have to weaken the US position economically so they also throw out some of the whoppers for public consumption.

-The subprime problem is contained....

-The recession is over.

-The US favors a strong dollar.

-Inflation is not a problem.


They also have to weaken the US military so they spread it all over the world to contain such threats as......Iraq?!

Please, Red, tell me that you are not naive enough to believe that Iraq ever posed a threat to the US.

The goddamn Soviet Union wasn't in a position to start a war with the US but the Iraqis were about to pick a fight? Please, tell me you see that we are the ones who wanted that fight.

But this post is getting too long. So just for arguments sake I will include an article about global warming. I found it in about 5 seconds on google....and then you can post the counter article and then we are at a mexican standstill, amigo!:yelwink2:

(that was meant in the best possible way!)

Top scientist debunks global warming | The Australian

 

Ok, I will humor you and post some more "facts". But this is one of my main points. This forum is not the place to get into a fullfledged battle of scientific papers. How could it be? We will not solve it here so why go through with more of:

Step 1)
I present some info and then...

Step 2)
You tell me why it is irrelevant...

Ok, how about 31,000 scientist.....you will of course, dismiss them but here they are:

31,000 scientist signed off on this. You can find it at:

Home - Global Warming Petition Project

But they are all scientists not climatologists....ok, how about:

An atmospheric physicist.....I don't know, is that the same as a climatologist? Well if not, how about our friend from Gumpland.....

He's a climatologist so how are you going to dismiss him? Oh, I know, you trot out your experts, and they cancel each other out. A mexican standoff, just like in the courtrooms. An adult with half a brain can make an argument for both sides of a case. The question is who is actually telling the truth and who is pushing an agenda.

I never proposed that the scientists were being deliberately untruthful, just that their findings are twisted by those in power to fit their agenda. An agenda which includes more power for the government over your behavior. Can't you see they have to create the impression of a crisis for the people to agree to a change of the status quo? They create the crisis and then come up with the solution....it's always the same game.

I'm not fan of George Bush and the neo-cons, believe me. I was just pointing out that they have their own agenda to push....it just doesn't happen to be climate change for them. They have a different to "do list" than the liberals. It's certainly just as harmful for the US but it is in fact a slightly different agenda. It was just supposed to be another example of the government propaganda that the US is subject to on an ongoing basis. That point was never meant to address the climate change issue directly and you know it.

Final point, I'll try and make it again. The government is not trying to help you. They do not have your best interests in mind.

 

You mention something about peer review so here you go:

Here is the link:

Global Warming Petition Project

I'm telling you they are pushing an agenda which will result in the loss of national sovereignty and the US being governed by UN technocrats....climate change is just one part of the agenda. The other parts that are easily recognizable are economic (coming dollar crises a good example), moral (gay marriage a good example) and in regard to US military might (multiple foreign engagements which do not enhance US security and weaken our ability to defend our true national interests).

For those who want the short version of the article here is the conclusion:

opcorn:

 

The silence is deafening!

 

Yeah, i was kind of expecting more fireworks than this.....must all be watching the hogs about to hand it to the gators at florida field!!!