Obama Wants To Raise Your Electric Bill

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Understood. That's why I've posted evidence as to its significance when I find it. We know for a fact just how many millions of tons of pollutants that we've pump into the air for a known number of centuries. It's easy math. All of that pollution just didn't disappear and it happened when temperature curves started to steepen . . .

    My point being that none of us in the peanut gallery can be sure about everything. Its why we train people to be experts and why we should listen to them regarding their specialties.
     
  2. shaqazoolu

    shaqazoolu Concentrated Awesome

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    I take partial responsibility for that.
     
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  3. Bandit88

    Bandit88 Old Enough to Know Better

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    How long before we start having the Human-Induced Ice Age discussion? I give it less than two decades.

    Science has largely become a religion to all but the most professional scientists. Full circle, actually. Clergy used to make up a large portion of scientists (LONG time ago), now a large portion of our scientists act like clergy.

    Especially on this topic.

    Remember - not so long ago, man thought the world was flat, the sun orbited the earth, there was something all around us call the ether...and this was all widely accepted scientific theory.

    I know, I know ... we're MUCH smarter with our modern computer systems.
     
  4. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    yeah, widely "accepted". "accept this or we'll boil you." the church had a heavy hand back then. there's a reason why davinci wrote his notes a mirror-image
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    16,000 years.

    You sound like martin. What a perfectly ridiculous notion. What actual evidence for "science is a religion" do you see?

    If you are suggesting that we ignore what we know today because someday we might know even more . . . that is a logical fallacy.
     
  6. Bandit88

    Bandit88 Old Enough to Know Better

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    I said science has become a religion to all but the most professional of scientists. Meaning, the general public and many less-credible scientists use cherry-picked facts and spin to create influence and drive BELIEF systems. I'm not saying science is entirely faith based. I'm saying the public, in general, doesn't understand the history of science, the scientific process, and how much Heisenberg's Uncertainty touches almost every area of scientific discovery.

    And, no, I'm not suggesting we ignore science. I'm suggesting man-made global warming, like many other theories, is not a fact. It's a theory that fits a political world-view and has taken on the trappings of religion.

    I'm not ignoring it. I'm scoffing. And recycling.

    I like the old term conservationist better. Environmentalist has taken on the image of the mentally retarded "religious" fanatic for me.
     
  7. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    I'm not concerned about the earth becoming inhabitable, just about the possibility of losing the beauty of natural unpreserved areas. I wish I could live in an area that wasn't so affected by humans. Of course, I develop real estate so I'm a big part of the problem.
     
  8. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    exactly. this bandit88 dude is alright.
     
  9. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    ok, this sounds better to me. sorry, i dont consider the general public to be scientists.

    i could agree with you and even argue that much of this environmental science (like macroevolution) is not science. it is only descriptive, observational. there is not the ability to reproducibly test hypotheses in a controlled setting. however, they realize these limitations. but should we discard all the data they generate that points to man-made global warming just because change is hard? sounds like denial.
     
  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    i wonder what percentage of the arguments from the people denying global warming and denying that man is responsible for climate change is influenced by religion.
     

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