Obama Wants To Raise Your Electric Bill

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  1. shaqazoolu

    shaqazoolu Concentrated Awesome

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    Obama is the president of the United States, not the world. Fix the problems at home first. I know there's got to be a balance between us and international politics, blah blah blah. Whatever. Screw the rest of the world for a little while. Stop trying to be friends with everyone like a PC retard, grow some balls and worry about #1 for a change.
     
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  3. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    I wish all Presidents would worry less about the rest of the world and more about domestic stuff.
     
  4. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    As regards climate change, I don't believe there is a problem. And if you do believe there's a problem, Obama's proposals are disproportionately severe.


    All that tells me is that the US produces more carbon emissions than other countries. It does not tell me that CO2 is the culprit causing alleged global warming. One scientist summed up the alarmists' position thusly:

    I don't believe everything I read but I can read:

    http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2,Temperaturesandiceages-f.pdf
     
  5. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    man has done a pretty good job with deforestation. you can add the effect of billions of livestock to human impact too.

    and i dont get how you dont think man can impact weather. didnt you live through the dustbowl years. :)
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I know you don't believe, but as you go on to say, your main objection is political, not scientific. A also think that pie-in-the-sky solutions could be unrealistically expensive, but it doesn't mean that certain affordable and doable reductions can't be considered. More importantly, the possible expense of a solution doesn't mean that the fact of global warming must be wrong.

    Not the only culprit, but it's generally acknowledged to be the biggest culprit. And the fact of global warming is not alleged, it is documented. The controversy is over it's source, not its existence.

    Then also read this, for some balance:

    What does the lag of CO2 behind temperature in ice cores tell us about global warming?
     
  7. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i just would like to note that water vapor causes 60ish% of the greenhouse effect.

    and of course without greenhouses gases earth would be way too cold for humans.
     
  8. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I don't dispute the existence of global warming. I dispute whether it's a problem or whether humans have any significant effect on it's existence.


    We can go back and forth all day with competing views. No one knows for sure. Kinda my point.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Of course, but Carbon dioxide raises the temperature thus raising humidity and the capacity of the atmosphere to hold water. The concentrations of CO2 and methane have increased by 36% and 148% respectively in the last 300 years. These levels are considerably higher than at any time during the last 650,000 years, the period for which reliable data has been extracted from ice cores.

    The water vapor concern is for secondary and multiplier effects. That is: if the average temperature of atmospheric layers near to the ground, as a consequence of human CO2 and methane emissions, is rising, then the evaporation of water is increased. Henceforth more water vapor will get into the air, and this additional abundance of water vapor will also absorb more heat.

    As I always note, it's all a matter of balance. Nature fluctuates climate as it tries to achieve equilibrium amid changing global conditions. Humans are a recent and significant global condition. What I see as obvious is the need for humans to be as balanced with regards to climate impact as possible. If we are standing on the warming side, we should be trying all practical means to move to the neutral.
     
  10. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Just stick around awhile. Nature will balance itself out.

    Humans are here to stay. The planet will just have to learn to deal with it.:yelwink2:
     

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