Obama Wants To Raise Your Electric Bill

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Your arrogance is unbelievable. You are not the sole authority on all things. You have strong opinions but that's all they are.
     
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    this fellas jiboo is the greatest global warming critic ever.

    the uncertainty of a system like climate is something people do not like. we pretend to be able to project more than we really can.
     
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    I just finished shaving my head...looks like I was just in time. You guys have got to be running out of hairs to split.
     
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    That's all they are intended to be. You strut and crow about "bitch-slapping" then call me arrogant?
     
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    I touched a nerve. Excellent.
     
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    Who says? Inability to create an absolute mathematical formula for a physical system does not prohibit examination of it.

    Physical systems are inherently non-linear. This disturbs and interests mathematicians and physicists, yet climatologists manage to carry on.

    I can give you the long citation, if you like.


    But you are assuming a base and a time frame that isn't used in the graph.

    Source?

    It's an estimate of a potential situation or trend based on a study of present ones. Projection connotes estimate of potential rather than "foretell the future" which connotes absolute prophesy.

    So, . . . it is a political argument you are making after all? Who here has "justified seizing of private property"? Whose definition of taxation is that, anyway? What does it have to do with climate modeling?

    Indeed. So, that would apply to your dogma as well?
     
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    that is because of politics. we are desperate for answers when none exist, because we want to save the earth from ourselves. and politicians want something to save us from. and scientists do not want to say "we dont know". they hate that.

    again, at no point in time will humans not be desperate to find something like this, some reason to worry that we are ruining the precious earth.

    if it wasnt warming it would be something else. we dont like to feel like we are not really having an effect on anything. we like to feel important, and especially when we can feel like we are ruining things. for evidence, see every religion.
     
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    Red, it still boils down to no one knows what the future of the climate is. You advocate predicting trends based upon the past but have to admit that it is, at best, speculation. It is just as credible to believe that climate changes will fluctuate and not do any permanent harm to mankind. The problem is that those who believe that man made global warming causing much death and destruction down the road is a load of crap, also believe that it is not worth spending tax dollars to try and stop it. The two are intertwined and cannot be separated yet every time the issue is raised you quickly scoff and declare it to be "just another political argument". Well, Yeah. That's why we give a damn.
     
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    I understand, amigo, but that has never stopped humans from seeking knowledge and planning for the future in any endeavor. We can get a pretty damn good idea. It doesn't have to be perfect to be useful.

    Well, I give a damn, too. I maintain that the credible experts have reached a consensus on the warming matter. Yes, it can be challenged and should. But a challenge in itself does not invalidate the conclusion.

    Well, there are two arguments here obviously and they may be related, but they are not "intertwined". It is entirely possible that global warming is scientifically valid but that it is economically unfeasible to remedy.

    That's quite different from "it's politically and economically unpleasant, so the science must be wrong." You have made posts where you say that you don't challenge the science, but you do challenge the politics and the suggested "cures". Yet you keep challenging the science because you "intertwine them".

    We can separate the science and the politics and I think this is essential to achieving an understanding of the situation.
     
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    Then let me rephrase: Research, conclude and reach consensuses until the cows come home. I don't care. But stay out of my pocket when trying to fix something that ain't necessarily broke...and, the scientific and political aspects are indeed intertwined because the Obama Administration feels a need to act upon all of these hypotheses with money that they don't have.
     
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