Obama to take over ABC June 24th to discuss.....

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I've said it before . . . this ain't about being easier on the scumbags. It's to inhibit future enemies from using this against us on US prisoners that they hold.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    what enemy is gonna say "well, i wasnt gonna torture, but now i will because the americans tortured us" terrorists? they already slice off people's heads for fun. regular army guys from other countries? we dont torture them so they have no need for retribution.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Klingons. It doesn't matter who. What matters is why. We insist that enemies rise to our standards, we don't sink to theirs.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    it does matter. if the answer to "who?" is "nobody", then your point is moot.

    klingons do not exist so they wont be torturing our guys. you couldnt answer the question.
     
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    TwistedTiger Founding Member

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    Maybe we should put them up with a nice family here in the US, deliver them a truck load of virgins and build them a replica of mecca in the back yard to show how much we really love islamic extremist terrorists. Surely then they would treat our captured soldiers and civilians with gentler hands. Maybe they would even use a sharp knife to cut off their heads instead of sawing for a couple of minutes like they did Nicholas Berg. I like Reds kinder gentler approach, reminds me of the French. Red if you haven't seen the video of Burg being beheaded it should be required viewing for all you pacifist.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    i certainly agree that we shouldnt torture uniformed soldiers. but uniformed soldiers dont sneak into our country and run commercial jets into things. terrorists to do not get the same rights as uniformed soldiers.
     
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    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    This war is not a board game where everyone reads the printed rules. If we could "insist" that enemies do anything then we may as well "insist" that they put down their arms and surrender. These radical ragheads have one rule and that is to kill the infidels. I would not be morally outraged if we tied them to a camel and dragged 'em from Kabul to Baghdad.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The answer is anybody. You clearly don't even understand my point.

    It was an unmistakeable metaphor for "any enemy", Einstein. Do I have to speak to you as if you were a child?
     
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    i am asking you a a specific question. who, specifically are we gonna convince to torture our guys?

    again, are the terrorists saying "well, now that our suicidal lunatic brothers are getting tortured, we are gonna start targeting civilians! and we may even cut off a head!". they are already doing that. we are the great satan. you cant get worse than that. they already love to murder us by the thousands for no reason.

    what you are saying is like saying "we should be nicer to sharks so they dont bite surfers". biting is their nature. they are what they are. we didnt create them.

    again, i do not advocate the torture of regular soldiers, men who were instructed or forced by their leaders to fight a regular war, men who play by the rules, wear uniforms and fight. those folks are not the same as terrorists who are on a mission from god to kill infidels. the only good terrorist is one that is tortured to death.

    it is not honest to pretend the guys at gitmo are the same as regular combatants.

    yes.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Forget Al Qaida for a minute and regard what I'm saying here. "These ragheads" will not be the only or the last enemies that we ever have.

    We could be fighting radical communist Catholics in Venezuela or Bolivia in ten years. We could be fighting Korean Buddhists in five. It is important for all potential enemies to understand that we expect our POWs to be treated properly. If we can ignore treaty obligations like Geneva, just because a few international criminals behave like international criminals, then our national credibility is at risk.

    Al Qaida? I wouldn't be morally outraged either. I've already said that unsavory covert action must sometimes be taken and it doesn't bother me a bit. What I object to is the United States standing up and demanding to the world that WE have the right to torture openly and legally if we want to, because we are fighting "bad guys". Lots of others will follow that policy to the detriment of many decades of good that Geneva has provided.
     
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