Obama to increase taxes---AGAIN!!!

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  1. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    Unfortunately, your failure was in the assumption that the pendulum will rest in the middle this time.
     
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  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Who's failure? I stated no such assumption, that is your speculation entirely.

    The political pendulum can take a dramatic swing back when it has been pushed to extremes. It could swing way too far left before it finds equilibrium, to be sure. What we need is a more moderate government to keep the pendulum making a smaller oscillation around the center.

    Extremism leads to polarity and on to naked partisanship. This country has rejected an extreme conservative government. Obama would make a mistake by swinging too far to the left, but that hasn't happened yet. It's too early to tell if he is effective at dampening the swing. But that is what we need.
     
  3. mobius481

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    I would agree that extremism leads to polarity but would disagree that Obama hasn't done this yet. The business tax is one thing, but $787 billion pork laden spending bill, rewriting bankruptcy laws, overall fiscal irresponsibility through his administration right now are all sending him down that path.

    He says the right things but it's all an act. He says we're not bailing out automakers, they will have to deal with bankruptcy, and then he pushes debtholders to resolve bankruptcy in a manner that has never been seen before and is not consistent with the spirit of bankruptcy proceedings. He says we will pass a large infrastructure bill for shovel ready projects to get us out of this recession, and then passes a pork laden partisan bill with about 8% going to shovel ready infrastructre projects. He sings the praises of bipartisanship but hasn't had a single bit of it during his administration as evidenced by the votes on key issues. He tells americans that he is asking his cabinet to cut back on unnecessary expenses and then spends 328k in direct cost on a photoshoot and god knows how much money on NYC's emergency response to it.

    These things are indefensible and like I said in a previous post, I had high hopes for what he was selling going into this presidency, and I gave him a shot even though I didn't vote for him, but this line of governing is unacceptable to Americans like me.
     
  4. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    Fake outrage at best, with very biased reasons why.
     
  5. mobius481

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    talking to me?
     
  6. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    this can equally be attributed to the GOP voting the party line against any Dem bill. they have nothing to gain by voting for anything. his azz is on the line, not theirs (well, theirs are too, but they were on the line before).

    now more than ever i am ready to vote third party. with a weak GOP maybe one can reach critical mass.
     
  7. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    Yea I am, I just dont have time for an extensive response. It did provide a laugh. So points for that.
     
  8. mobius481

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    Not necessarily untrue. Both parties are guilty or voting along party lines but BO went out of his way to talk about bipartisanship, concessions, etc. My point is not that he's doing worse as far as partisanship but that it's business as usually. You would have to agree there is no less partisanship than there has been in the past wouldn't you?
     
  9. mobius481

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    Congratulations on another brilliant argument. You have time to respond to me in 10 seconds flat but not enough time to come up with a response. It's because you can't refute a thing I have said. It's all true. The only difference is, you are okay with democratic pet programs, irresponsible spending, and Obama keeping his unions happy. That's fine if you disagree with me being "outraged" at it, but don't try to tell me what I am or am not upset about, or call them biased reasons. These things are facts even though I'm sure you'll come up with some way for it not to be Obama's fault. We're all waiting with bated breath.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    How about appointing three Republicans to his cabinet? That certainly is unprecedented. How about not prosecuting Republicans for federal crimes during the last administration? :huh:

    The President doesn't vote on issues. In Congress, Republicans chose to be intransigent. "Being bipartisan does not mean having to lay down and say we'll do whatever you want," -- House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) :insane:

    This was a mistake made by an underling and you know it. Want a list of some real recent presidential mistakes? Ones with huge consequences? How about mistakes made by underlings that were actual violations of the law? i got a list of those, too, just for comparison.

    Nonsense. They are being defended right here . . . :dis:

    I know exactly how you feel. Better start trying to find a Republican who can beat him in four years. Good luck with that . . . :grin:
     

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