First of all, his name was Vince Foster. Secondly, his death was ruled as a suicide by multiple investigations by the United States Park Police, the United States Congress, and Independent Counsels Robert B. Fiske and even Kenneth Starr. You know something that they don't? As CNN explained on February 28, 1997, "The Starr report refutes claims by conservative political organizations that Foster was the victim of a murder plot and coverup," but "despite those findings, right-wing political groups and Tom Emmert have continued to allege that there was more to the death and that the president and first lady tried to cover it up." LINK So how does this relate to the buck not stopping with Clinton? Then he could not have passed the buck, could he.
Look, its entirely proper for Reno to take responsibility for her decisions in her justice department. Reno stopped 'the buck" before it got to Clinton. That's clearly not Clinton passing the buck.
Not at all, I showing the double standard by the left as they revise history and try and make it look like its all Bush's fault when they played a part. Hillary's quote was actually worse than John Edwards. Also just showing that the Democrats and news media's account isn't the truth. The truth is Hillary and other Democrats didn't just get intelligence from the Bush Administration it got intelligence from the Intelligence committee as well as the Clinton Administration. I didn't say Bush used 3 year old intelligence from the Clinton administration? That would be just as foolish as the claims by the left that Bush's intelligence was flawed, Democrats signed on and got taken for a ride. Both sides looked at the evidence including the 3 year old intelligence from the Clinton Administration. The evidence could've been wrong in this case meaning both sides were incorrect not just Bush's evidence. About 3 year old intelligence, In this case I don't think a lot had changed from the end of the Clinton era until 2003. BTW If the intelligence happens to be wrong age doesn't matter anyway!
Thus, the question mark. So, suddenly, you believe everything you read? Exactly. If you don't let the buck get to you, you don't have to stop it.
Not at all, it has to be credible. This finding is not only credible but legal, documented, and backed up by multiple investigations, one of which was by conducted by the special prosecutor that was out to find any possible dirt on Clinton. The Whitewater investigation found no dirt on Clinton and the Vince Foster investgations found no dirt on Clinton. So Starr had to settle for finding DNA on Monica.
Well, who put it there? The Lewinsky thing would be laughable except that it was distressing to know that we had a sitting president with the hormones and judgement of a 13 year old.
http://www.tigerforums.com/showthread.php?t=43480&page=3&highlight=waco Isn't it funny that I brought up at least one thing that no one can defend. The commander in chief is always held accountable for things on his watch like George Bush except for Bill Clinton nicknamed slick Willie. I didn't want and will not write out everything again on Waco but I will point out that some people want to treat detainees better than citizens of their own country such as all the people at Waco especially innocent children. I'm not just talking about murder or suicide here! Name me one other time that tanks, helicopters, loud music in other words torture was used on men, women and children that were American citizens. The free pass the Clinton Administration gets on this is mind boggling. The buck stopped with Janet Reno on this one so Clinton wasn't accountable. What a double standard!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidian "However, in 1999 the FBI was forced to admit that the testimony they gave before the Danforth Committee was false. The FBI now admits to using Flite-Rite pyrotechnic grenades on the day of the fire; the timing of their use remains in dispute. The FBI's admission of false testimony before the Danforth Committee brings into question the validity of the committee's conclusions, and no new government inquiries have been conducted. The government put some of the survivors on trial. All were acquitted of conspiring to murder federal agents but some were convicted of aiding and abetting voluntary manslaughter" "BATF) conducted a full scale military-style raid on Mount Carmel, a structure known to house the Davidians. The violent raid resulted in the deaths of four agents and six Davidians after the Davidians refused to acquiesce to the demands of federal agents. Following this confrontation, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) laid siege to Mount Carmel for 51 days, during which time the FBI and BATF conducted around the clock operations including psychological operations (psyops) on the men, women and children inside the complex. The government's siege on the Branch Davidians ended April 19 when federal agents released flammable CS tear gas into the compound. Fires later broke out and spread quickly through the buildings, killing approximately 80 Branch Davidians, 20 of whom were children. Autopsies confirmed that many of the victims, including David Koresh, had died of gunshot wounds." "Prior to the BATF Siege in Waco few people had heard about the Branch Davidians. During the course of the siege the media, relying on the input of a host of experts who volunteered services, created a picture of the Branch Dravidians that was fanatical and at times criminal.[1] This portrayal contradicted many of the interviews conducted within the compound as well as reports from their family members. This portrayal in the media is believed by many to have influenced both the FBI and the BATF and the strategies they employed during the siege.[2]" Theres your proof Red, please stick up and defend Reno and Clinton. They were responsible for torturing American citizens, children and not al quada!:lol: :grin:
I don't know much about the Branch Dividians or Waco, but I did notice you happened to leave off the disclaimer on the page you linked. Maybe you aren't quoting the best source.
Then maybe you should learn? I saw the whole thing played out on tv. How old were you then? Why don't you dispute it? Back up your assertions for once? Are you saying that we didn't treat Americans worse or as terrorists at Gitmo? I won't go with iberal sources. I consider the liberal CNN, MSNBC, etc as not the best source either. Look at what I've said! Are you saying the military didn't seige the compound and that Reno didn't take responsibility when other presidents are considered accountable? One more point, when it comes to politics there aren't always best sources on controversial subjects. Edit: thats a common Liberal trait, attack the source. Liberals use this site all the time for their subjects thank you!
